Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

I’ve voted Tory in the past, but I feel a vote for them now is a vote to wave the NHS and workers rights goodbye.
Op take a 5 minute look at Britannia Unchained, the book written by the people in the Cabinet.
They aren’t even hiding what they plan for the country.

Who was that woman bleating on about devolving power to the regions and investing billions in building regional centres of government? I think politicians should be held legally accountable for the absolute bollocks they talk before an election, from ALL parties.

If I tender for business I have to legally stand by what I say!

This was on bbc breakfast this morning. Honestly, all the problems in this country and that is where the money is going to go?!

It’s a secret ballot. Just lie to your bone-headed relatives.

Its not all embarrassing, or difficult to understand! Extraordinary that you think everyone that votes a certain way is black and white about it!

I voted Labour under Blair. I liked him. I think lots of people IRL did. Mumsnet is really not an approximation of RL in any way shape or form.

Same for moderate Tories standing down in droves. Both parties are heading towards the extremes.

That's very true. As far as the Tory Party is concerned, that's because the one nation Tories were driven out for sticking to their guns and voting for the Benn bill to prevent a no deal Brexit.

Johnson was running scared of Farage splitting the right wing vote, hence his ridiculous insistence on Brexit happening on 31st October.

It was Rebecca Long Bailey on the news this morning.

If she's really going to be the new leader its going to be a good 10 years of the Tories. What is the matter with the Labour party?

I do t believer for one second a teacher is happy with a Tory government, you’d have to be certifiable.

@MustardScreams I’m not happy with a Tory government, they have destroyed education over the past 9 years. But that doesn’t mean that Labour will automatically be good for education. Their stated plans are shit.

What policies are you talking about? Their manifesto has not been released yet.

Manifestos don’t appear out of nowhere. I’m talking about the policies that Labour have announced.

They announced they’d scrap Ofsted in September labour.org.uk/press/labour-scrap-unfit-purpose-ofsted-overhaul-school-inspection-regime/

Labour will scrap SATs was announced in April schoolsweek.co.uk/corbyn-labour-will-scrap-sats/

Also more misinformation in your post! Labour themselves didn’t start the hashtag.

The @abolisheton twitter account belongs to the group ‘Labour against private schools’ and it was them that brought the motion to the party conference where it was voted through to put it in the manifesto.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-public-private-school-abolish-eton-vote-conference-corbyn-education-policy-a9115766.html

The Truth Behind the Stats

Glyn Secker, secretary of Jewish Voice for Labour, and Dr Alan Maddison, a solidarity member, have been crunching the data, recently released by General Secretary Jennie Formby, of allegations of antisemitism made against Labour members

normanfinkelstein.com/2019/02/26/that-labour-antisemitism-crisis-in-numbers/

Jewish Voice for Labour

Jewish Voice for Labour is part of the antisemitism problem within Labour. Anything that they put out can instantly be put in the bin.

For example, when Luciana Berger quit Labour as a result of antisemitism, it was a Jewish Voice for Labour member who proposed one of the motions of no-confidence in her. This Jewish Voice for Labour member went on a regularly antisemitic radio show and promoted Rothschild conspiracy theories.

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Are you now calling jewish members of JVL anti semitic? Thats antisemitsm in itself you're probably better off reporting your own post to MNHQ

Don’t be daft. Pointing out that a JVL member (and chair of a constituency Labour Party) spread Jewish conspiracy theories on a radio show that hosts anti-semites isn’t anti-Semitic.

The Jewish Chronicle reported the story, are they anti-Semitic?

In August 2015, dozens of prominent Jewish activists signed an open letter criticising the paper for what they viewed as its "character assassination" of Corbyn. They wrote: "Your assertion that your attack on Jeremy Corbyn is supported by 'the vast majority of British Jews' is without foundation. We do not accept that you speak on behalf of progressive Jews in this country. You speak only for Jews who support Israel, right or wrong." They continued, "There is something deeply unpleasant and dishonest about your McCarthyite guilt by association technique. Jeremy Corbyn's parliamentary record over 32 years has consistently opposed all racism including antisemitism." Signatories to the letter included Laurence Dreyfus, Selma James, Miriam Margolyes, Ilan Pappé, Michael Rosen and Avi Shlaim.[citation needed]

In August 2017, the Jewish Chronicle published a ruling by The Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) that an article it had published earlier that year about a court case was in breach of the Editors' Code of Practice by identifying family members of the defendent. The Judge did not accept the defences of the Jewish Chronicle that the family members were prominent members of the community or that the family had been referenced in the proceedings, albeit without identifying individual members.[28]

In February 2018, The Jewish Chronicle falsely reported that Mike Sivier, a blogger and Labour Party member was a holocaust denier. IPSO upheld a complaint by Mr Sivier that the newspaper had misrepresented online comments he had made.[29]

In April 2019, the Jewish Chronicle published a ruling by IPSO that articles it had published on May 2017 and April 2018 about an author critical of Zionism contained inaccuracies regarding venue denial activity by Jewish organisations and the author's views on the relationship between Zionism and Nazi Germany and that it had failed to issue a timely correction. The Jewish Chronicle said that they had relied on comments made by the president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews.[28]

In August 2019, Interpal received an apology and damages of £50,000 after The Jewish Chronicle implied that the charity had links to terrorist activity. On 23 August the paper published the apology in full, together with an article by Ibrahim Hewitt, chair of trustees of Interpal.[30]

I’ve listened to the radio clip, Just.

So you can post a load of unrelated stuff and accuse me of anti-semitism, but that won’t change the story.

Joy Thank you, we have the party police on here trying to close down the conversation, but it won't help the Labour party prospects in the short or long term if we do not acknowledge the reasons why long term LP voters are balking this time, why the policies are so far from what they are looking for, even after seventy years of voting in some cases (my uncle etc) are all making it known that they are struggling with the labour we have before us today.

The fact that Watson has stepped down, and Ian Austin's incredible announcement encouraging us to vote for Boris is a case in point.

We really need to starting listening. It is not enough to plough on regardless and say 'you were never really committed to the party' or whatever. No one could say of either of them having devoted 36 years plus to the cause. I myself have voted LP for a similar number of years.

Yes we might be moderate Labour voters, but that is where election success lies. It is definitely not a party that can win a landslide today is it??

I am exasperated, I laughed out loud listening to Ian because I felt vindicated that I, and many thousands I suspect will now vote for another party that is not Labour, because it is impossible in all conscience to vote for Corbyn.

The announcement about the trillions the party plan to spend in the next few years, thereby putting the country at serious risk of acquiring huge levels of debt again, and having an enormous deficit once again, when we have only just got our finances in a better place as a country, was the final bloody nail in the coffin this morning!! I am fuming. We have spent 12 years in austerity and cutbacks, and suffered job losses to try and get the country back on an even keel for absolutely nothing, because we will be back to square one under Corbyn. The BBC said it will take us back to the debt levels of the 1970s! Well anyone alive in the 1970s will tell you it was hellish, and no I am not going back to that, not for anyone.

WTAF!

“ Thank you, we have the party police on here trying to close down the conversation,”

Sorry?

He can't just pass things through parliament without majority of mps agreeing though? So I don't see why anyone's worried. Just look at brexit. That was roughly 50/50 for and against and yet nothing has been done.

Research the amount of disabled people who have died as a result of the Tories abusing the disability benefits system

I did, and it seems many have cherry picked from the linked report, which clearly states Any causal effect between benefits and mortality cannot be assumed from these statistics
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/459106/mortality-statistics-esa-ib-sda.pdf

We all know there are major issues with the operation of the benefits system, but correlation is not causation and no amount of campaigning will make it so

Bert I wasn't talking to you, I am talking about other posts on this thread that have said I am a Tory bot or such like. Any hint of criticism about Corbyn or the planned policies, and the insults start. This is not the considered, progressive friendly party I joined all those years ago. We listened back then, we empathised with all positions and this is why it was a success. We did not say it is Jeremy's way or the highway. There was respect and there was discussion.

“ We did not say it is Jeremy's way or the highway. ”

And I would be surprised if anyone’s saying that on this thread. The vast majority of left wing posters I would say are not pro Corbyn. But bizarrely, posts saying that, because they don’t fit the “you’re all cultists” narrative, are ignored.

There is discussion, it’s just that with the tories record of manipulating voters it gets a bit boring with the continuous “but WHY are you voting labour when they’re obviously so shit” posts.

Where’s the Russia report hey?

Yes, let’s destroy everything excellent in this country just because it doesn’t cater to the lowest common denominator. That’ll be just fantastic.

Oh, hello Xenia. She usually pops up on these threads with her offensive twattery. Always under a different name than before of course 🙄