Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

Look below your last post and you will see what I mean bert

It is not helpful.

You can direct posts directly to me op, I don’t bite.

You are deliberately ignoring any points I make. Where IS the russia report? Why do the Tories use such underhand techniques when campaigning (Keir Starmer video being doctored?) If you completely ignore posters questioning your motives then no wonder you get called a bot.

when we have only just got our finances in a better place as a country, was the final bloody nail in the coffin this morning!! I am fuming. We have spent 12 years in austerity and cutbacks, and suffered job losses to try and get the country back on an even keel for absolutely nothing, because we will be back to square one under Corbyn

You’ve just given yourself away, OP. We had a Labour government until nine years ago, not 12. Our borrowing levels are higher now than in 2010 and, cost of nationalisation aside, the Tories’ proposed spending programme doesn’t fall far behind Labour’s. Your post is not that of an erstwhile Labour voter. Tell HQ to send someone more convincing along.

Under the Callaghan govt the top rate of tax was 99%. I was paid net £1/month less than the student grant.

My rate of tax was the basic rate. 33%, yes 33%. Even with such a massive tax take the govt still ran out of money and had to go cap in hand to the IMF time and time again.

Since then GB has sold off much of gold reserves created a crazy system of credits allowances etc while delaying implementation of tax threshold increases. Then there was the abolition of the recuperation of the dividend tax which single handedly wiped out most final salary pension schemes in the UK outside the public sector.

Still, I'm a postal voter so I either won't get my ballot paper or it won't get back due to the threatened postal strikes.
Back to 71-72 from memory. We had a 3-day week, then too, 1 day less than Corbyn's proposed 4-day one. Right in the middle of my 'O' levels.

JC's a product of the grammar school system and a millionaire. Like many, having had all the advantages of the system that allowed upward mobility, he wants to make sure that no-one else can.

Still, after 13 years out of the UK it will be my last election as I lose the vote in 2 years' time.

“Yes, let’s destroy everything excellent in this country just because it doesn’t cater to the lowest common denominator. That’ll be just fantastic”

That’s not Xenia. She is always reasonable, measured and good humoured. If wrong.That’s another poster who dances round giggling and thumbing her nose and singing “I’m right, you’re wrong yah boo and sucks to you!” like a politically illiterate 7 year old.

JC's a product of the grammar school system and a millionaire. Like many, having had all the advantages of the system that allowed upward mobility, he wants to make sure that no-one else can.

I really don't see how the Tories have done anything to improve social mobility. In fact they actively militate against it.

Is he a millionaire? And we are frequently told about his dire academic record. Hardly a recommendation for the grammar school system!

@BertrandRussell at least Xenia tried to suggest ways that women can be financially independent from men I suppose. Even though they may have been misguided.

I guess if you include his house, he’s probably a millionaire on paper. Along with most Londoners who live in Zone 1.

I see the Tories have blocked publication of the Treasury’s economic forecaster report. Are they just going to block all detrimental evidence of their shambles government? It doesn’t exist if you can’t see it!

Idiots, the lot of them.

Someone mentioned the alleged 120,000 ‘dying’ under the Tories. Is this a fact (I doubt it) although many people die each year. Sounds to me like the mathematics of Ms Abbott, so was that 12, 12,000 or 12 million? We need to know

I see the Tories have blocked publication of the Treasury’s economic forecaster report. Are they just going to block all detrimental evidence of their shambles government?

Looks that way, the publication of the November health performance figures has been pushed back to 13 December. I’m really hoping they get leaked on the 11th.

So. How many blocked reports is that so far?

Three, I think. The Russian one, the economic forecast and the health figures.

3 by my count, but haven’t checked all yet. It’s almost like they have something to hide.

Still, you have to remember that Corbyn shook hands with a member of SinnFein 25 years ago. Oh, and lives in a house.

I suppose it’s too late to quickly form a new centrist political party called something like The Reasonable Party?

Still, you have to remember that Corbyn shook hands with a member of SinnFein 25 years ago. Oh, and lives in a house.

And is a far-left lunatic who’s allowed antisemitism to infect his party. As usual, you forgot to mention that part.

There certainly are way more homeless people visible in my home town since the Tories got in. I should imagine that that in itself has caused deaths.

The Labour Party has many issues that need to be addressed. Apparently it's ok for us to have a PM who hangs around with eugenicists though

Someone mentioned the alleged 120,000 ‘dying’ under the Tories. Is this a fact

A couple of links about that were posted last night leckford, but here they are again:

fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people

Interesting about the witheld reports and the mulish secrecy which drives this. As said before, given the personalities involved I'm expecting the campaigning to get pretty dirty this time, so who knows what'll crawl out of the woodwork before December?

Sorry - clicky link to (hopefully) follow on the first one:

fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

Well, it worked last night!!

Just copy and paste if it's of interest ...

Christ. I can barely get through the first few page of this thread - the outright lies are absolutely overwhelming. Why do you keep going on about privatising utilities? He wants to nationalise, and rightly so - and I expect the people who are having to choose between heat and food care very much about it.

Nationalising the rail services doesn’t have to mean poor service. Taking profits out of the equation will obviously benefit everyone besides the current shareholders and it’s easily done - we already fund the rail network FFS. In fact the train fares we pay end up subsidising the higher quality cheaper rail system in European countries, since some of them own parts of our train services.

They are not going to suddenly close private schools - that shouldn’t need to be pointed out, should it?

The bloody manifesto hasn’t even been released yet. How about you wait and see what it says, instead of insisting that it will not cover anything you’re concerned about?

If you indeed are not a Tory shill, you’re doing a very good impression of one.

And is a far-left lunatic who’s allowed antisemitism to infect his party. As usual, you forgot to mention that part.

No, we left it for you, we knew you’d enjoy it.