Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

@CendrillonSings I think you're living in cloud cuckoo land. The Tories are hanging onto power by a thread and they are only doing so because they've been propped up by the DUP. They are a minority government with a very weak mandate.

Why would you not think it’s fair to tax higher earners slightly more to help people less fortunate?

It's the 'me, me, me. I am superior. I am entitled ' mentality.

Can you show me where you’re getting your information about you being taxed heavily under a labour government? Even though you’ve been told it’s a minimal increase for those on over £85k?

I don't have all the data to hand now, but much worse than the tax on personal income (which I would be happy to pay if that was the only tax rise) will be their taxes on business and assets, which will be walloping in scale - the exact degree of wallop to be determined in their manifesto, as others have mentioned.

@MaMaMaMySharona the tax on those earning over £85k will only raise £4.5 billion, per their own figures. Where is the rest of the money coming from to cover the Labour pledges?

The Tories are hanging onto power by a thread and they are only doing so because they've been propped up by the DUP. They are a minority government with a very weak mandate.

Oh dear, you're not one of those people who thinks Corbyn "won" two and a half years ago and are perplexed why he's not Prime Minister, are you? But it is indeed time for a new mandate, hence the election.

Nobody won that election. That's what a hung parliament is

Tory Voters....klaxon

Voting Labour and I AM NOT ON BENEFITS.

It’s simply a case of seeing many working people and non working people struggling thanks to years of austerity and cuts, Disabled people being pushed through pointless checks every few years to see if their spastic quadriplegic cerebral palsy has been cured (yes it does happen).

Meanwhile too many working people are having to claim benefits to actually put a roof over their heads.

Yep I’ve seen the reality of Tory policies. I don’t like them and I won’t vote for my current Tory MP even though I generally like him. I will instead vote Labour who are the only real prospect of ousting the Tory MP and I hope that happens and is replicated across the UK.

I don’t much care if Corbyn becomes PM ...he can’t be any worse than Boris or his ilk. I want a much more moderate Govt but I will settle for a further left Govt if it means a fairer society for everyone.

Vote Lib Dem, Jo Swinson wouldn't go into coalition with JC but she would with another Labour leader. So we could have a progressive coalition without JC.

Or- vote labour purely to get rid of the Tories.

I am Jewish and based on the actions and words of the man himself, I believe Jeremy Corbyn is antisemitic. So does almost every other Jewish person I know. And I still think Boris Johnson is the most dangerous prospect for this country.

Nobody won that election.

Amazing how the Tories have formed Her Majesty's Government for the last few years without winning then, isn't it?

I’m with you OP. Look at the political regimes Corbyn admires/supports. That isn’t a philosophy that fits with a democratic way of running the country. I can’t vote for him.

Boris is awful.

All the sensible, competent, fair-minded MPs in both Labour and Conservatives seem to be throwing in the towel.

I will vote but I may well spoil my ballot

Lots of people are just tired of being taken for a ride - take 10% entrepreneur’s tax relief for example.

You pay just 10% on the capital gain you make as a result of building up your business when you finally dispose of it. Why? Because you have built a business, taken risks, made compromises and created jobs - and because we need to encourage this behaviour.

But we also see high earners who are effectively employees - not business creators - routinely rolling their earnings into companies which they then ‘liquidate’ every couple of years to take their money and pay only 10% tax. Not so great.

People are sick of it and I’m sorry to say that today’s tories just seem to epitomise this kind of spivvy ‘me me me’ entitled behaviour.

It’s so wonder they are so disliked. They are tainted and just a bit sordid.

If they still had their reputation as the ‘strong and stable’ ‘party of business’ maybe people could just hold their noses, but they can’t say this with a straight face anymore. As Bercow says today, Brexit is the worst thing for our economy since the Second World War.

@CendrillonSings do you know what a hung parliament is?

Amazing how the Tories have formed Her Majesty's Government for the last few years without winning then, isn't it?

They paid a billion pounds to the DUP for the privilege didn’t they? And the DUP didn’t even then vote for their Brexit deal.

do you know what a hung parliament is?

See what I mean? This level of obtuseness is not found in nature!

Do you know what obtuse means?

People are dying under Tory policy. The Tories don’t care!

Op, I've only reading the first few lines of your post and you make supporting labour sound like a hideous cult.

Where its members are straight jacketed into believing in it with them freedom of critical thinking denied. It really concerns me that communities, families etc like this still exist.

I believed we were all raised to be independent thinkers? Or if the parents cannot offer that, school should bloody well drum it into pupils to think for themselves and not accept this tribal allegiance to anything!

For the record df came from labour stronghold and said he'd never vote tory. He said things like that but my god he raised me to think for myself and question everything.

I'm raising my dc to someone the same.

Cracks me up that people genuinely believe high earners are worth more than nmw ones.

They don’t work harder, they rarely give back more than they’re made to and few appreciate that their “earnings” are largely thanks to their much lower waged colleagues/employees.

I read recently that for my parents generation a ceo earned roughly 8 times more than the lowest paid employee and now its 150 times! That’s insane and utterly ridiculous!

Employers should be paying all employees an actual living wage, a wage that’s enough for an adult living solo in a one bed property but not shared housing to LIVE on!

Just to blow cendrillions bollocks out of the water the last time I voted labour I was working full time and earning a decent amount. I’ve actually not yet voted for them once since becoming a benefits recipient.

I also know tory voters who are unemployed benefits recipients (I don’t understand it but I know them).

I have NEVER and will never vote Tory.

They are and always have been the party for the elite, the independently wealthy, the privileged.

'progressive coalition'

What's the definition of progression, when it's assigned to a party that wants to turn back the clock on democracy and plunge us into the dark ages?

In actual fact, the Tories have only once had an overall majority since John Major won in 1992, and that was in 2015. (They were in a coalition with the Lib Dems during the preceding Parliament.)

I think they will struggle to get an overall majority this time as well. They only won last time because Ruth Davidson won 12 seats in Scotland. Now she's resigned, it will be very hard for the party to hold on to those seats, although I suppose supporters of the union might vote for them to keep the SNP out. But Scotland is strongly pro Remain, so that will be more of a factor, I think.

And they're also being challenged by the Brexit Party, so the right wing vote will be split. And I suspect that if it's a hung Parliament, the DUP are less likely to be willing to support them, as they feel that Johnson threw them under a bus to get a deal with the EU.

So it's by no means as clearcut as a lot of people think. I do think the Tories will be the largest party, but opposition parties could form a coalition to get them out. The best outcome would be if Corbyn could be replaced by, say, Hillary Benn, who could form a coalition with the Lib Dems. But sadly, I can't see Corbyn standing down.

This has got to be the daftest post I've seen on Mumsnet.

Go off, have a look at many other European countries policies, check them along Corbyn's and calm the fuck down. I say this from a household where we will probably lose a few hundred in tax each month under a Corbyn government. But you know what, I'd rather lose that money and live in a fairer country, where so many people aren't reliant on food banks, where people don't commit suicide on a regular basis because of benefit sanctions, or where teachers bring in biscuits because parents can't afford to feed their children. Heaven forbid we may have a politician that actually gives a shit about that! The country will burn I tell you!

I don't believe for a minute you're part of a Labour voting family, you wouldn't have written that if so.

Your family don’t have to know you didn’t vote labour. That’s between you and the ballot box

If i really believed Labour would do those things I would vote for them. It's not their time. Tories in again, Corbyn is replaced with someone half decent (not Keir Starmr fgs) and then Labour

Duck willow, you don't have think people with disabilities under went similar awful investigations under labour?

I'm telling you they did. And in once instance when something serious happened the sw was obsessed with a term the person used rather than dealing with a critical matter.

You don't think people suffer under labour governments? ..

Aside from fromage failing on child poverty, the last Labour governments hands are covered in blood.

As well as the stain of Rotherham etc.

Tweser I'm a swing voter and I agree IF Labour is cleared out of its current politicians.