to think it's not that difficult to understand Labour's position on Brexit

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Apparently many people don't understand Labour's position. It's not that difficult to understand.

1. Renegotiate a better deal with the EU.
2. Put that deal to the people in a people's vote within 6 months
3. Enact the referendum
4. That's it

And yes,when it comes to the vote, people within Labour may have different views - some may want to remain, others to take the deal.

This is not about whether you agree with the position - that's a whole different thread - this is about whether the position is difficult to understand or not

Do you understand this policy?

Yep - seems straightforward to me.

They're going to honour the result of that godforsaken referendum, negotiate a less shit deal than May or Johnson got, then (god help us) put it to the people again: Less Crap Deal - v - Remain.

I'm not sure if they will then advise people to vote against their deal but if they do, then it seems fair enough to say "there is no better deal to be had than staying in the EU so vote Remain."

I understand this policy.

Oh and shame on Conservative Campaign HQ for doctoring the video of Piers Morgan's interview with Keir Starmer.

If you have to explain stuff; if it's not immediately obvious, you have a problem.
Yes, I understand it. Because I'm a nerd.
But you could say - pretend tbe last 3 years never happened, try to do a new WA in a very short time involving a lot of time and effort, have a referendum and maybe or maybe not back the WA you just negotiated in that referendum. And then , depending on the result, ignore everything you've just done to implement this referendum. And assume that the other side will be happy.
I voted Remain before you start on me.

f you have to explain stuff; if it's not immediately obvious, you have a problem

It's not explaining it.

It's just a few words longer than the Conservatives policy or the Lib Dems policy.

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I don’t see why some Labour MPs refuse to say which way they’d vote in a second referendum though. Why not just admit if they’re remain or leave?

Problem is 1) is not likely to be possible because the EU is clear that the "deal" is what it is...

Therefore waste of time... more uncertainty and reduces effective campaigning time for new referendum.

Delete 1 and it is at least a vaguely sensible policy...

Conservatives: Johnson's WA
Lib Dems: Revoke
SNP: Independence
Labour: some involved shit and you must be stupid if you don't get it.

Ask Jacob Rees-Mogg about how well high handed self congratulatory bollocks goes.

I am not clear.

What do they want to renegotiate it to specifically?

What side of any referendum do they want to be on? I assume leave if they are going to try to renegotiate, but they don't appear to be saying that.

I have a strong preference for a party to have a stated line on whether it wants in or out and if out on what terms. Anything else means I don't know what we are getting in relation to Brexit were I to vote for someone who represents that party.

I'm confused

What does the Labour Party actually believe in as the right solution? At the moment they appear to be doing a Sir Humphrey and just being grey. I thought Corbyn was the best thing hat has happened to Labour in a generation, because he appeared to have beliefs about what was best. Which makes absence of belief about what they actually stand for on something as important as this Prather conspicuous, and

Allied to that, they are not saying what would be the key component of their renegotiated deal. Without that, we really do not know enough. Perhaps more will emerge - because a clear answer on this wouid actually allay some of my concerns on the first point.

The Labour Party are trying to appease both their remain and leave voters, whilst also hoovering up remain tories. I don't think it's a bad position actually and as a remainder I'm quite happy with it - I don't think a better deal is possible so I'm happy to have a second referendum on whatever they come up with.
I have been really pissed off with labour for equivocating over their Brexit policy and I can't believe it's taken until now for them to clearly state it but I don't think it's hard to understand, and I think it's a pretty good and potentially vote winning one.

What do they want to renegotiate it to specifically

Better than the one we have. One that protects worker's rights.

Just like Johnson did.

hat does the Labour Party actually believe in as the right solution

I think the Labour party is split on this - and that's pretty obvious. The Conservative party has lost those who are remainers at heart and don't think there's a place for them in the party. The Labour party still has a mixture of leave and remain in - and doesn't seem to have split as such.

The thing is that they are a LEAVE party that won't come out and say it.

It took over three years post referendum to come up with this

The stance from the leader of the party was to go with the will of the people actually to evoke article 50 within days of the result

How many times has Corbyn stated this new policy - heard his speeches at the party conference it certainly wasn’t said as directly as you put it op

And that the issues we all know Corbyn wants to leave (as do a number on the far left)

Too little too late and another dragging out of negotiations isn’t going to appeal to many

Define "better".

I dip in and out of politics and Brexit - not an avid follower like some in these threads, but definitely not completely uninterested - and I genuinely did not know that was their policy. I think because they've been so vague and non committal up to now. So they do need to keep stating it clearly while people like me catch up!

Corbyn is a leaver. But he's not going to try to push leave through regardless, the way May and Johnson have tried. There is a big enough remain contingent in the PLP to ensure that wouldn't be the policy.
I think attempt to renegotiate followed by a second referendum is the best and most politic option. I would dearly love them to revoke a50 tomorrow but no party is going to do that.

How can anyone seriously think that Jeremy Corbyn could negotiate a better deal than the one that the EU has grudgingly agreed.

1) Renegotiate a better deal with the EU.

What does the 'better deal' look like?

'Better' is vague: Customs Union? Single Market/Free Movement of People? Common Agricultural Policy? Fisheries? Giving 3 million EU citizens full voting rights in the UK? Who will negotiate the 'better deal' on Labour's behalf?

They're going to honour the result of that godforsaken referendum, negotiate a less shit deal than May or Johnson got, then (god help us) put it to the people again: Less Crap Deal - v - Remain.

Except that the 'experts' who decided Johnson's deal is worse than May's deal also said that Labour's economic policy is crap.They suggested that remaining in the EU under Labour might be worse than leaving the EU under Boris Johnson - therefore leaving the EU with Labour's economic policy must be the worst option of all.

Very straightforward to me

I dont know why some people are finding it so hard to understand...i mean i have some ideas why they don’t understand it

Whether is possible or not is quite a different matter

And sadly i feel i have to caveat my post...i have never voted labour, i am not a labour supporter

Apologies

I understand the policy

(That’s basically what you want a pure yes or not...not a chat about whether is possible, just a basic do I understand it or not)

The thing is that they are a LEAVE party that won't come out and say it.

No, they're not. We never seem to hear about the 70% or so of the Labour membership who are ardent Remainers.

to think it's not that difficult to understand Labour's position on Brexit
I don't understand it because they have spent the last three years being wilfully vague.

Now they have a concrete(ish) plan. And there's an election coming. Amazing coincidence, eh?

Labour will probably fail to negotiate a better deal, but they will try, and they will keep socialist principles at the heart of their negotiations.

@Clavinova are you suggesting that the tories' economic policy has NOT been crap over the past ten years??