to think it's not that difficult to understand Labour's position on Brexit

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Apparently many people don't understand Labour's position. It's not that difficult to understand.

1. Renegotiate a better deal with the EU.
2. Put that deal to the people in a people's vote within 6 months
3. Enact the referendum
4. That's it

And yes,when it comes to the vote, people within Labour may have different views - some may want to remain, others to take the deal.

This is not about whether you agree with the position - that's a whole different thread - this is about whether the position is difficult to understand or not

Do you understand this policy?

By far the most irritating thing about Labour activists throughout the years, but particularly now is their attitude that everyone who doesn't believe the same thing as they do is somehow gullible or stupid. That they are permanently hoodwinked by the MSM and cant see through their blatant partisanship. That everyone who criticises Labour is incapable of independent thought, even if they have voted Labour for years and were members of the party but don't like what's happened in recent years. Its patronising and alienating.

By far the most irritating thing about Labour activists throughout the years, but particularly now is their attitude that everyone who doesn't believe the same thing as they do is somehow gullible or stupid

For some reason, apparently only 25% of people understand Labour's Brexit policy.

Yet most people on here understand it. So who are these people who don't understand it? And why don't they understand it when people who are opposed to it still understand it?

As far as I can tell according to current labour govt fans you’re either hoodwinked or evil. Worst of all seem to be those that supported new labour or are moderates who should’ve sodded off to the tories they really are years ago.

By far the most irritating thing about Labour activists throughout the years, but particularly now is their attitude that everyone who doesn't believe the same thing as they do is somehow gullible or stupid

In fact, most Labour activists think that people should be able to understand this policy.

The people who are saying that it is difficult for people to understand are those who belong to other parties

Tgyhe thread shows how confusing his policy is (a) the EU has said there is no others deal (so surely that means his policy if not a great one as it is based on getting one so we might end up with hard brexit if supporting Labour as I am not sure the EU is up for even more time extensions. (b) the current draft withdrawal agreemet which other than on Ireland is almost the same as Mrs May's 500 page agreement involves a transitional peroid with customs union for mainland UK which is why it was always puzzling under May that Labour did not accept it as the WA is pretty much Labour policy anyway.

For some reason, apparently only 25% of people understand Labour's Brexit policy.

1. Because it's a two-step process whereas the other parties have a 1-step process.

1. Because the two steps appear to contradict one another.

1. Because Corbyn has sat on the fence and used constructive ambiguity about Brexit for years to sell himself to both Leavers and Remainers, thus alienating both.

1. Because people don't like Labour, and so aren't going to to say positive things about people they despise.

1. Respondents conflate "understood by me personally" with "comprehensible to the general public".

There are probably many more reasons, but there you go.

most Labour activists think that people should be able to understand this policy.
And there is the problem.

*For some reason, apparently only 25% of people understand Labour's Brexit policy.

Yet most people on here understand it.*

Mumsnetters’ political knowledge really does not reflect that of the ‘average’ person.

As an example, the current betting odds are something like 1/6 for the Conservatives winning most seats and 6/1 for Labour. The average ‘Mumsnet’ political thread would indicate that Labour would have a massive majority.

Mumsnetters on political threads are very largely Remain - I reckon about 85%.

I agree with Sweet and I am a Tory voter - MN is pretty often Labour although much of the country is Tory supporting. However I am not complacent. The Tories will not necessarily win and we need every vote.

Labour could just protect workers and environmental rights. We don’t need them protected in a WA for leaving the EU.

Renegotiate + referendum = remain without blame

That’s Labour’s real policy.

No leaver would vote for this Brexit policy! (But they might if they realise that other policies are more important to them than Brexit).

I do understand it
It just seems that it’s yet more time wasting

I voted remain , but TBH I just want it over with now , we can move on and get on with other things , not just talk about Brexit all the time

I would also like them to stop saying what the Conservatives are going to do .

we can move on

Unfortunately the trade negotiations alone will take up to ten years. Maybe seven if the UK is skilled and fortunate. It's quite shocking how that isn't widely understood. Perfectly normal, and a reality of the situation.

Most of that can be passed to civil servants autumn

AutumnCrow I think most people are aware that the final trade negotiations are going to take several years. However, many people (remainers and leavers alike) are sick to death of the dragging out of this stage of the process.

I understand the policy. It makes some sense.

I also understand what anti-semitism is and the lack of action against party members who have made such comments is why I will not vote Labour.

*In fact, most Labour activists think that people should be able to understand this policy.

The people who are saying that it is difficult for people to understand are those who belong to other parties*
That is literally what I was talking about! Why is it so hard for Labour activists to understand that people do understand the policy, but they don't like it, or don't think it would work? I'm very old so have heard the same thing for decades about the MSM and people not understanding how wonderful Labour policies are. When Labour appeal to the majority, they win. But apparently now the most successful Labour administration in 40 years was Tory.

Why is it so hard for Labour activists to understand that people do understand the policy, but they don't like it, or don't think it would work

You do understand that the polling suggests that many people don't understand?

You do understand that I have said nothing about whether people like it or if it will work?

Because this is about people understanding it. It's not about whether they like it or not. Because there are plenty of people who like it. And there are plenty of people who don't like it or don't think it will work.

If things aren't bleeding obvious, it's hard for people exhausted by politicking to go to the effort of working it out.

Why is it so hard for Labour activists to understand that people do understand the policy, but they don't like it, or don't think it would work

Then people should just say they think its a shit idea rather than say they don’t understand

I cant believe 75% of people don't understand 4 simple sentences. They probably don't understand how it will be done or why. If 75% of people really cant read and comprehend, we have bigger problems!

What is means in simple terms is We Will Sit On That Fence Until Our Arse Cannot Take It Anymore.

I don't understand how a group of supposedly intelligent and aware people can have come up with the Labour strategy? Does that work for you?

Autumn, most people do know it is not over once we leave. However, at least levaing is over (I am a Tory remainer by the way) and we then continue in the transitional period and negotiate a whole lof other things. So yes it is the end of whether we leave or whether we stay and we do indeed leave. Then all the negotiations continue but we are definitely then out rather than not sure if we will be or not, not sure what referendum questions will be, not sure what people would vote in that second referendum, not sure what Labour would negotiate as its new deal with the EU (which says it will not change the current deal).

The Labour proposal is a heap of uncertainty piled on uncertainty.

The Tory plan is we will leave shortly if they win a majority.

I don't understand how a group of supposedly intelligent and aware people can have come up with the Labour strategy? Does that work for you?

Well yeah...

Because you are not saying that you don’t understand the policy

We actively NEED a Tory govt for the next four years to work through the issues created by leaving. They will have to take ownership of any problems which will make them more likely to try and fix them, rather than just throwing up their hands and blaming the Tory leave strategy (as labour will do).

My hope is that Labour are annihilated, Corbyn goes, Momentum is sidelined and a new more moderate leader comes through, all ready to win an election in 4 years.