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AIBU not to ever leave my child with her?

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TimeForAChristmasUsername · 03/11/2019 23:47

DD is 18 months old. She is the second grandchild on DH's side.

I find DH's sister quite hard to handle,although she can be generous and kind, she is also very shouty and loud, likes to control/portray herself as the matriarch of the family, and consequently I prefer her in small doses. So I may be unreasonable.

SIL has, from the day DD was born, talked a lot about how she's going to have her at her house all the time. She used to try and lift her out of my arms, and say things like "you have her all the time, it's my go now" when DD was hours old. This rubbed me up the wrong way to begin with. She is also jealous that "we got the girl".

I had a very difficult birth and quite a long recovery, so I didn't really leave the house for three weeks, and when I did, DH took us out for a quick lunch in a restaurant and a trip round the shops. We stopped into pils enroute, SIL was there, and she became pushy about trying to get us to leave DD there, and for us to go on our own. I just found it really uncomfortable.

Now for the crux of the matter. DD is getting older, toddling around, and SIL has upped the comments about how she's going to have DD all to herself and let her eat all the sweets she wants. I've more or less told her no regarding the sweets - I am quite strict with DD's diet, but SIL will try and give her things which are choking hazards - her own son was allowed to eat bags of Chupa Chup lollies from ten months old.

Sil's son, DN, is four. He absolutely hates my DD, especially now she is mobile. I have physically had to prevent him getting at her at times. He has kicked out at her, pushed her, tried to slap her,screamed in her face, snatched toys from her. We have unfortunately had to cut down the amount of time we spend with DN, as although SIL does try to intervene, it takes the form of shouting DN's name from the sofa, not actually stopping the behaviour.

What I found particularly worrying was that DN on one occasion was particularly keen to get DD into a play tent which had a zip up door - he was very insistant that DD should come with him into the tent and that the door should be zipped right up. I was suspicious of this, given DN has lashed out at DD for merely walking past him, so I said no, but at one point I went out of the room, and when I came back moments later, SIL had the door zipped up. I looked through the little net window on the tent and DN had DD's arm in both his hands - obviously I shouted "no!" and pulled her out. I think everyone present thought I was overreacting. Obviously DN is just a little boy, but he's a big boy compared to DD and I don't think SIL or PILs quite grasp how much damage he could do.

As well as this, SIL smokes heavily- I have to bathe DD after visits as DD reeks of smoke just from SIL holding her, even if we are at our house or PILs (nonsmokers) SIL brought round a plastic baby toy of DN's and it was thick with nicotine grease.

DN also hasn't been in a car seat since he could pull himself up to stand, SIL thinks they are nonsense and she grew up alright without one etc. I have seen DN standing up on the back seat, hanging out the windows.

We would be mad to let her mind DD, wouldn't we? DH agrees, but we're now coming under pressure from other family members, as SIL has gone round complaining that we're trying to alienate ourselves, that we think we're too good for them,and that we are precious over DD. She has made a few comments to me directly that indicate that she thinks I'm over attached and paranoid about DD,and also that I'm bullying DH into doing things my way (this after DH stood up to her and told her not to swear when she spoke to DD)

The thing is, a lot of the older members of the family (whom I like and get on with) are either scared to disagree with SIL or don't get how things have changed regarding child safety, as they're unwilling to rock the boat, and are making lots of noises about "family" and how SIL loves DD, and how important it is for DD to spend time away from us. It's got to the point where we feel we can't even leave DD with PIL, or anyone else, so far we've just said we aren't leaving her with anybody except for obviously nursery when we go to work.

So AIBU? I don't think I am, but even the few friends I've spoken to think that although my worries are real, I should leave DD with SIL "because she is her aunt at the end of the day". They all seem to be more confident leaving their babies--overnights with granny at eight weeks old and the like- which would have made me sick with anxiety, so maybe it is me?

OP posts:
Icanflyhigh · 03/11/2019 23:54

I wouldn't leave DD with her, it would obviously make you very anxious. So just remember no is a complete sentence.

HufflepuffBean · 03/11/2019 23:54

I have nowhere near these kind of issue with my parents, my MIL is a big no to leave my son alone with but otherwise I have it nowhere near this bad. DS is 10 months old and this week spent the longest he's ever been away from me for, for 4 hours. She's your DD, stand up for her. You don't have to force yourself to be apart from your own daughter. She's your baby and you know what's best for her and your family, nobody else does. I hope they get the message. I ended up having to tell MIL straight that unless she changed, she's never have DS alone. She's still the same Hmm

HiJenny35 · 03/11/2019 23:57

Nope sod that. Whatever anyone else would or wouldn't do is upto them. You only get one chance, if something happened and your child chocked on a sweet or was in a car accident you would never forgive yourself for leaving her in SIL care. Stick to your guns. You're the parents.

user1473878824 · 03/11/2019 23:58

I am totally with you on all of this and no don’t leave DD with her she sounds awful, but sorry a toy wasn’t “thick with nicotine grease“ 🙄

TotorosNeighbour · 03/11/2019 23:59

I wouldn't leave DD with your SIL , not in a million years. she obviously has no concept of child safety. And At the end of the day she is just her aunt, not her mother and it's nobody's business who you trust your child with.

gromberry · 03/11/2019 23:59

Oh god please don't back down. There are so many reasons why you shouldn't. Stand firm, you know what is best.

Fuzzywig · 04/11/2019 00:00

Your instincts are screaming out to you, you need to listen. Your husband agrees that this shouldn’t happen so say no and stick to it. It’s a slippery slope, you are being bullied and manipulated, she is bullying and manipulating other family members too. Stick to your guns you are doing the right thing.

ToTheRegimentIWishIWasThere · 04/11/2019 00:02

Yanbu.

We would be mad to let her mind DD, wouldn't we? Yes.

She sounds like a bully. Don't allow yourself to be bullied by her. Don't leave your baby with her. If you're not confident other family members won't cowtow to her, don't allow them unsupervised access.

You don't have to leave your child with anyone if you don't want to.

SleepingStandingUp · 04/11/2019 00:02

Why does she need to be left with anyone else? If you need childcare, that's different and you ask or pay someone for the favour. But other than that there's no reason why other people need to be alone with other people's children.
I'd stick to the it's kind of you to offer but we really don't need any childcare atm

stophuggingme · 04/11/2019 00:04

You don’t owe her any explanation whatsoever
In this case - as in others - no means no. End of

RogersVideo · 04/11/2019 00:07

I leave my kids with family but they are all sensible people who have my kids best interests at heart. I don't think that about your SIL.

I'm sure the pressuring is tough, but you definitely aren't being unreasonable. And you wouldn't be unreasonable to take a step back from everyone if the pressure continues.

CakeAndCustardPlease · 04/11/2019 00:12

YANBU. I would never leave my child alone with her, given everything you’ve described.

But the heavy smoking alone would make me keep my distance, as would her utterly stupid car seat views. I just would not trust her. I’m glad your DH agrees with you. But under no circumstances should you let anyone in his family pressure you. All you need to say is no. And I’d be wary of leaving her alone in a room again with these people for anything longer than a quick one minute wee!

Aria999 · 04/11/2019 00:12

YANBU. Don't do it. The smoking alone would be a no from me, never mind the safeguarding issues with DN.

Very hard to know how to stand up to this kind of person. Is she likely to react better to a blunt list of facts or a polite but non specific keeping your distance?

Maybe DH could try to get PIL support by explaining the problems?

Happityhap · 04/11/2019 00:14

As DH agrees with you, get him to be the main one telling his family No.

They can all say what they like, you are the parents and it's your decision.

WhereYouLeftIt · 04/11/2019 00:25

It's often said on MN that 'No is a complete sentence'. And so is 'Fuck Off', and I really think that's the one you should go for.

Your SIL is a bully, and this part of your post caught my eye - "I've more or less told her no regarding the sweets " . More or less. Not 'definitely', but 'more or less'. Bullies don't even notice 'more or less', except as a signal that the person saying it can be pushed around. Seriously, don't 'more or less' SIL. Be absolutely, categorically clear with her that the answer is not just 'no', it is 'hell, no'. And as for the rest of the family (also known as 'flying monkeys') be just as clear. And don't trust them.

firawla · 04/11/2019 00:26

No chance in hell I’d leave my child with her. She sounds awful, and doesn’t sound like your child would be safe what with the nephew being violent to dd, sil wanting to give things like chupa chips and not use a car seat. Say a definite no with no hestitation and stick to it. If sil makes an issue about that it’s actually her making problems in the family not you

JollyHolly30 · 04/11/2019 00:38

I am totally with you on all of this and no don’t leave DD with her she sounds awful, but sorry a toy wasn’t “thick with nicotine grease“ 🙄

I absolutely hate smoking, but I thought this too.
Also, no chance would I leave my daughter there. Stick to your guns and don't feel bad about it in the slightest.

Interestedwoman · 04/11/2019 01:00

As far as I'm aware it's not much of a 'thing' that everyone does for kids to spend unaccompanied time with their aunt, so I don't think it's anything unusual if you were to choose not to do this. x

Lentilbug · 04/11/2019 01:05

Don't leave her with any of your in laws. Your nasty SIL can get access to your baby through them when you're not around.

Shinesweetfreedom · 04/11/2019 01:07

The older kid will batter your baby,you know that.
Absolutely fucking never no way,not in a million years.
The sil can get to fuck .

MrsP2015 · 04/11/2019 01:10

OMG don't leave her!

SIL sounds awful. Could you imagine what would happen if her ds got his hands on dd 😳 he's probably jealous of hearing how much his mum wasn't dd poor lad.

Let the family frown and pull faces. It's your dd and why 'should' kids be away from parents at a certain age?! Mine will be with me until she is old enough to want to stay elsewhere.
My in laws are terrible. The pil's wind dd up and chase her saying 'I'm coming to get your so she runs around then they say 'don't run you'll get hurt!'
They smack random things saying 'naughty' then tell her off for copying Confused mind fuck or what. They've been trying to 'have her' since she was weeks old and at afew months I told mil I won't be leaving her so no need to keep offering as it will always be no. That made her back off. She acts like she knows everything but times have changed- eg she was suggesting giving her baby rice at 8 weeks to make her sleep through and said bf is really bad for dd, I could go on but it winds me up!!!!!!!

Anyway tell them you do not wish for time away from dd until she's 6 then they 'may' back off for a while.

MrsP2015 · 04/11/2019 01:13

*wants

Keepmewarm · 04/11/2019 01:14

Tell her she can wait until dd is old enough to want to stay.

Mothership4two · 04/11/2019 01:18

She sounds like a bully. I would have found it odd if any family member talked about having one of my dc all to themselves and putting us under pressure to do it. You and dh obviously agree so, as far as I would be concerned, that would be the end of the matter.

There is no way I would have let my dc, when they were that young, stay with a heavy smoker, someone who could give them choke hazards or someone who doesn't believe in child car seats (which isn't blooming legal), let alone all the pressure she is piling on.

Trust your instincts and stand up to her. Also be very clear with her when she does something you disagree with (not "more or less told her no" but "NO!"). I'd absolutely not let her look after your dd and, if they brought it up, I would tell the other relatives why.

CakeAndCustardPlease · 04/11/2019 01:22

It is definitely not a “thing” to have to leave your children unsupervised with family members. I love my brother, sister, BIL and SIL to bits but we have never ever felt the need to leave the kids with them. We meet them regularly and they do of course offer to have the kids but we always say something like oh what a lovely offer maybe one day (as the children are all very young).

I honestly cannot envisage a situation in which I would need to leave the children with their aunts or uncles. So you’re not doing anything wrong.

She also sounds like a mean bully (which is probably where her poor 4 yo son gets it from!) I don’t get people who blame a child of four for all his actions. So instead of giving the polite response I do, to people I genuinely love, I would probably just tell her it’s NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

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