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AIBU not to ever leave my child with her?

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TimeForAChristmasUsername · 03/11/2019 23:47

DD is 18 months old. She is the second grandchild on DH's side.

I find DH's sister quite hard to handle,although she can be generous and kind, she is also very shouty and loud, likes to control/portray herself as the matriarch of the family, and consequently I prefer her in small doses. So I may be unreasonable.

SIL has, from the day DD was born, talked a lot about how she's going to have her at her house all the time. She used to try and lift her out of my arms, and say things like "you have her all the time, it's my go now" when DD was hours old. This rubbed me up the wrong way to begin with. She is also jealous that "we got the girl".

I had a very difficult birth and quite a long recovery, so I didn't really leave the house for three weeks, and when I did, DH took us out for a quick lunch in a restaurant and a trip round the shops. We stopped into pils enroute, SIL was there, and she became pushy about trying to get us to leave DD there, and for us to go on our own. I just found it really uncomfortable.

Now for the crux of the matter. DD is getting older, toddling around, and SIL has upped the comments about how she's going to have DD all to herself and let her eat all the sweets she wants. I've more or less told her no regarding the sweets - I am quite strict with DD's diet, but SIL will try and give her things which are choking hazards - her own son was allowed to eat bags of Chupa Chup lollies from ten months old.

Sil's son, DN, is four. He absolutely hates my DD, especially now she is mobile. I have physically had to prevent him getting at her at times. He has kicked out at her, pushed her, tried to slap her,screamed in her face, snatched toys from her. We have unfortunately had to cut down the amount of time we spend with DN, as although SIL does try to intervene, it takes the form of shouting DN's name from the sofa, not actually stopping the behaviour.

What I found particularly worrying was that DN on one occasion was particularly keen to get DD into a play tent which had a zip up door - he was very insistant that DD should come with him into the tent and that the door should be zipped right up. I was suspicious of this, given DN has lashed out at DD for merely walking past him, so I said no, but at one point I went out of the room, and when I came back moments later, SIL had the door zipped up. I looked through the little net window on the tent and DN had DD's arm in both his hands - obviously I shouted "no!" and pulled her out. I think everyone present thought I was overreacting. Obviously DN is just a little boy, but he's a big boy compared to DD and I don't think SIL or PILs quite grasp how much damage he could do.

As well as this, SIL smokes heavily- I have to bathe DD after visits as DD reeks of smoke just from SIL holding her, even if we are at our house or PILs (nonsmokers) SIL brought round a plastic baby toy of DN's and it was thick with nicotine grease.

DN also hasn't been in a car seat since he could pull himself up to stand, SIL thinks they are nonsense and she grew up alright without one etc. I have seen DN standing up on the back seat, hanging out the windows.

We would be mad to let her mind DD, wouldn't we? DH agrees, but we're now coming under pressure from other family members, as SIL has gone round complaining that we're trying to alienate ourselves, that we think we're too good for them,and that we are precious over DD. She has made a few comments to me directly that indicate that she thinks I'm over attached and paranoid about DD,and also that I'm bullying DH into doing things my way (this after DH stood up to her and told her not to swear when she spoke to DD)

The thing is, a lot of the older members of the family (whom I like and get on with) are either scared to disagree with SIL or don't get how things have changed regarding child safety, as they're unwilling to rock the boat, and are making lots of noises about "family" and how SIL loves DD, and how important it is for DD to spend time away from us. It's got to the point where we feel we can't even leave DD with PIL, or anyone else, so far we've just said we aren't leaving her with anybody except for obviously nursery when we go to work.

So AIBU? I don't think I am, but even the few friends I've spoken to think that although my worries are real, I should leave DD with SIL "because she is her aunt at the end of the day". They all seem to be more confident leaving their babies--overnights with granny at eight weeks old and the like- which would have made me sick with anxiety, so maybe it is me?

OP posts:
Jossina · 04/11/2019 10:28

It doesn't sound like she loves her own son let alone your DD.

Mix56 · 04/11/2019 10:46

Say, "Not happening". & repeat.
Your child, your decision.

No point in listing all the reasons why, (car seat, smoking language, bully cousin...etc. She will never accept your are right.
Any way you could move away ?

LittleTopic · 04/11/2019 10:51

Ugh, I feel for you. In a similar boat myself where PILs keep inviting SIL with them to visit. We’re trying to minimise contact with SIL, who is schizophrenic and self medicated with cannabis and LSD Hmm MIL got a bit arsey when I took DD off my SIL for not washing or changing after smoking two joints before she rocked up at our house and snatching DD off me, which promptly made her cry. She called DH to have a moan about me being “precious” and was promptly set straight.

I wouldn’t leave her with a SIL like yours - I’d be too paranoid about an accident.

PlasticRainHood · 04/11/2019 10:57

I would say no (obvs) and avoid giving reasons, other than "We don't want to do that, thanks."

You don't owe them a reason.

If you point out the reasons, then SIL will rage at being criticised, and argue till the cows come home that it's all FINE and you are being TOTALLY UNREASONABLE... just pointless aggro.

Or SIL may decide to say, oh, yeah, yeah, OK, I will put her in a car seat and watch her all the time and only feed her the food you agree with... now hand her over. Of course SIL will be lying through her teeth, but you have given her the chance to counter your reasons and undermine your decision.

Best not to give any reasons IMO. As parents, your decision is final and doesn't need justifying.

PushkinTheCat · 04/11/2019 11:08

YANBU. In terms of people pushing you to leave your child, in my experience, people who have your, and your child’s, best interests at heart will allow you both to set the pace. And they will recognise that you are Mummy and what you say goes, rather than undermining you.

Don’t leave your DD with anyone, if you’re not comfortable with it, and especially if you’re not confident they will care for her appropriately (I wouldn’t leave my four year old with someone like your SIL, let alone a much younger and more vulnerable child).

I know people who have left their babies for a whole day or overnight at six weeks, and others who’ve never done so yet at the age of 3/4. It’s very personal. I left mine for an overnight at 15 months but I was absolutely confident in my DM’s ability to care for him, in his own home. But your SIL aside, you need to feel confident about leaving your DD so you can actually make the most of the break - and if you don’t feel confident about leaving her, or about who you’re leaving her with, that won’t happen.

RhinoskinhaveI · 04/11/2019 11:16

The sister-in-law is trying to dominate you and make sure that you don't take her 'matriarch crown' away.
I would tell her to get to fuck, and the rest of them

DoesItGetAnyBetter · 04/11/2019 11:21

As a parent it is your duty to keep your children safe. I wouldn’t leave my children with either the SIL or PIL.

If they were that keen to care for your DD they would respect your rules.

When my DC were young I had snide comments regarding not leaving them overnight. My mother & sister were desperate to have them for sleepovers. However I didn’t want them to. Not because I didn’t trust them (they are both amazing and always have been), I just didn’t want to leave my babies.

Their feelings do not trump yours or your child’s safety.

PrinnyPree · 04/11/2019 11:28

YANBU and I am so glad you have the support of your husband, sometimes partners can fold like a deck of cards as to not make waves in the family.

I also really don't like the insistance of being left alone with a child without the parents, I get the offer, as an Auntie I've offered, but I would never demand, that's really bloody creepy.

So many red flags, I would never ever leave my child unsupervised with her and quite frankly I would now worry about PIL being left with her as they may pass her on to SIL to prove a point.

Luckily I don't have this in-law family dynamic however I used to have a very volatile and manipulative "best friend" who was really my bully and who would have acted like this. I finally cut ties after so many years, however not so easy when it's family.

Sending hugs xxx

billy1966 · 04/11/2019 11:31

This comes down to how much you love your child.

Part of being a parent is sometimes having to advocate for your child.

Sometimes doing so is uncomfortable and challenges you.

But you do it because you love your child.

Your SIL is a bully.

She certainly doesn't love DD.

She merely see's her as a possession or you that you have and she wants.

Your DD is not safe with her.

You need to protect your DD from his family with a firm No.

Practice in the mirror saying "No, that won't be happening".

If they escalate their demands or become abusive, just pull back for as long as it takes for them to get the message.

LovePoppy · 04/11/2019 12:34

@Mammylamb
I can’t really understand the obsession they have with you leaving your child with them. It’s reallg bloody odd

It’s not about the child. It’s about winning. Its about getting to exert Dominance over OP.

LannisterLion1 · 04/11/2019 12:45

Your friends clearly have low standards. As do your in laws

SIL parents unsafely- not using car seats, sweets as choking hazards, etc- so no way would i let someone like that near my dc alone. In fact, we do have a family member like that and as such all visits include us. Be wary of PIL too. Don't leave your dc with them or they'll drop her to SIL from the sounds.

And if she doesn't use a car seat for dn, leaving him hanging out car windows, call the police

Lolapusht · 04/11/2019 13:11

Don’t do it!

If you do, she’ll give your DD heaps of sweets (and any other food you’ve asked her not to), she’ll put her in the car without a car seat, she’ll smoke in front of her, she’ll swear in front of her, she won’t stop her son hurting her. Who knows, you may collect her one day and she’ll have pierced ears!

Nothing you say will change DIL’s mind as SIL is right and in charge and you are wrong and not in charge and that will need to be made clear to you at every opportunity.

If you complain about anything your SIL does then you will be being precious or a snob. Having children on their own is not a thing, and even if it were, it’s a thing your DH’s family does, not you. It’s not your tradition and if your DH isn’t bothered by it then don’t do it! Non-committal responses to the family members and don’t engage. If they press the matter then tell them exactly why SIL won’t have DD on her own. She sounds hideous!

user1471590586 · 04/11/2019 13:24

The "thick with nicotine grease" just sounds like an expression to me. I know what she means, my friend gave me her son's high chair when my son was born which was lovely of her. Unfortunately it stunk of cigarettes despite me scrubbing it and I couldn't use it.

I wonder if her son (your DN) is picking up on his mum wanting a girl, by going on about your daughter, and feeling left out. Maybe why he keeps trying to hurt your daughter.

Pippapotomus · 04/11/2019 13:25

We all gathered in the old smoking room at work when it was being refurbished following the ban because it was so disgusting to look at. We all thought the walls were meant to be brown until they took pictures off the wall.

My sister has a similar situation with her sil and her other bil. It's definitely an alpha wanting to be favourite thing.

Thatagain · 04/11/2019 13:43

YANBU Do not leave your DD with her. As your DD may pick up on her attitude as she is 18months old and in a stage of continuous learning.

SantaIsReal · 04/11/2019 14:11

You have every right to act 'precious'. This is your daughter and her safety & wellbeing is priority to you & your DH. I'm happy to hear that for once on MN, your DH is supporting you!
You have every right to keep your DD away from her! She clearly doesn't even care for her own childs safety which is proven seen as she doesn't even have him in a car seat! For which, I would actually call the police!
I would just lay it out. Until she can follow what your rules are as parents, then she wont be babysitting.

Besidesthepoint · 04/11/2019 14:42

You know you would be a neglectful mum if you would send her to people where she will be in danger and abused. And as for the PIL, next time they start again just tell them that you are dissapointed that they don't respect you as a mother and say goodbye and leave. Even if they say sorry, accept it but tell them that the conversation is done for today and still leave. Every time. People need to learn that if they want to be a part of your lives they will need to play nice. If SIL wants to play with your DD she can come over and do so, but there is no reason why she needs your DD alone. She can bond with you right there but she actively doesn't choose to.

Pinkpanther473 · 04/11/2019 15:32

Yanbu
Any one of those things would mean I wouldn’t feel comfortable leaving my dd with your sil.
If it helps I was in a slightly similar scenario when my dd was 10 months old, was presented with extended family member on IL side who would look after dd so dh and I could have time alone.
I didn’t take to her, she was very confident and opinionated about childcare (had none of her own), thought childhood allergies were a lot of nonsense (dd had anaphylactic reactions to some foods at this stage) and didn’t listen to me asking her to be careful etc with food.
I and dh sat down with her and thanked her for the offer and just said I enjoy being with dd, she’s my first child and I don’t want time away from her yet. She seemed to receive the message ok. She was a bit off with me after but there was no way I was trusting her with dd, and I did trust dd with other friends and family at this age.
Maybe giving reasons will never work as she/PIL will just deny/get defensive but you were the one going through pregnancy and pushing the baby out and working hard to keep it alive until now, it’s on you to continue to look out for her safety, so if you say no to sharing her that is just tough!!

Pinkpanther473 · 04/11/2019 15:36

Also I’d be wary about agreeing for dh to visit PIL without me if they are showing signs they are trying to force the issue of dd going to SIL.
No SIL! Grow your own or get a female puppy or something Grin

insomniasucks · 04/11/2019 15:43

Fuck that! No way should you let her look after her.

TiceCream · 04/11/2019 15:44

Of course you have her all the time - she’s YOUR child. It would rub me up the wrong way too if I thought SIL had unreasonable expectations of something she wasn’t entitled to. A baby isn’t a doll to “have a go” with! She’s a person who needs her mother not a random aunt. And now your SIL is making threats to overrule your parenting decisions too. Not to mention the fact she’s putting your child’s health and safety at risk by smoking and failing to control her child when he attacks yours.

Yes you would be absolutely mad to let her look after your DD. She clearly can’t be trusted. Let her make whatever snidey comments she likes - your priority has to be your DD’s safety. At the end of the day you are the mother and what you say goes. If other people don’t like it it’s tough. Stick to your guns!

lynzpynz · 04/11/2019 16:07

Nothing like having your own child to make you be more forthright and challenge the status quo in order to protect them!

This needs a united front between you and DH tell his family calmly and politely that your child your rules. No she isn't being left alone with SIL, No she isnt being handed over to family members to meet a quota of time spent with and precious in their view or not its your rules so tough. You need to both pick up any snide comments immediately 'oh you're precious' with an 'eh excuse me what do you mean precious that's downright rude, don't try to dictate to me how I raise my child thanks'. Little sly digs overlooked can become big problems over time.

Do not envy you this OP, sounds like you just want a quiet life without a demanding pushy family...

IdleBet · 04/11/2019 16:20

I wouldn't be arsed about offending anybody. I'd just say no, not happening. If they go on about it just ignore them.

The nagging and the comments would be like water off a ducks back to me.

Everytime, just say No thanks. Don't let them get under your skin.

Autumnfields · 04/11/2019 19:00

It’s not about the child. It’s about winning. Its about getting to exert Dominance over OP.

This.

I find it is people who are not really grown up or mature, who have problems like not great parenting, that can be the most dominating and need to put down anyone who comes into their sphere who is coping better.

GettingABitDesperateNow · 04/11/2019 19:17

No way would I leave the with them and I'm fairly relaxed about safety.

The car seat thing is illegal - it's not down to clashes in parenting type, it's against the law.

She doesn't keep your daughter safe from her son, and feeds her choking hazards.

Even apart from all this, it's just odd to try and pressurise you to let her have your daughter by herself - why?

I think this is a case of putting your daughters safety first and if that causes a fall out then so be it.

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