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AIBU not to ever leave my child with her?

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TimeForAChristmasUsername · 03/11/2019 23:47

DD is 18 months old. She is the second grandchild on DH's side.

I find DH's sister quite hard to handle,although she can be generous and kind, she is also very shouty and loud, likes to control/portray herself as the matriarch of the family, and consequently I prefer her in small doses. So I may be unreasonable.

SIL has, from the day DD was born, talked a lot about how she's going to have her at her house all the time. She used to try and lift her out of my arms, and say things like "you have her all the time, it's my go now" when DD was hours old. This rubbed me up the wrong way to begin with. She is also jealous that "we got the girl".

I had a very difficult birth and quite a long recovery, so I didn't really leave the house for three weeks, and when I did, DH took us out for a quick lunch in a restaurant and a trip round the shops. We stopped into pils enroute, SIL was there, and she became pushy about trying to get us to leave DD there, and for us to go on our own. I just found it really uncomfortable.

Now for the crux of the matter. DD is getting older, toddling around, and SIL has upped the comments about how she's going to have DD all to herself and let her eat all the sweets she wants. I've more or less told her no regarding the sweets - I am quite strict with DD's diet, but SIL will try and give her things which are choking hazards - her own son was allowed to eat bags of Chupa Chup lollies from ten months old.

Sil's son, DN, is four. He absolutely hates my DD, especially now she is mobile. I have physically had to prevent him getting at her at times. He has kicked out at her, pushed her, tried to slap her,screamed in her face, snatched toys from her. We have unfortunately had to cut down the amount of time we spend with DN, as although SIL does try to intervene, it takes the form of shouting DN's name from the sofa, not actually stopping the behaviour.

What I found particularly worrying was that DN on one occasion was particularly keen to get DD into a play tent which had a zip up door - he was very insistant that DD should come with him into the tent and that the door should be zipped right up. I was suspicious of this, given DN has lashed out at DD for merely walking past him, so I said no, but at one point I went out of the room, and when I came back moments later, SIL had the door zipped up. I looked through the little net window on the tent and DN had DD's arm in both his hands - obviously I shouted "no!" and pulled her out. I think everyone present thought I was overreacting. Obviously DN is just a little boy, but he's a big boy compared to DD and I don't think SIL or PILs quite grasp how much damage he could do.

As well as this, SIL smokes heavily- I have to bathe DD after visits as DD reeks of smoke just from SIL holding her, even if we are at our house or PILs (nonsmokers) SIL brought round a plastic baby toy of DN's and it was thick with nicotine grease.

DN also hasn't been in a car seat since he could pull himself up to stand, SIL thinks they are nonsense and she grew up alright without one etc. I have seen DN standing up on the back seat, hanging out the windows.

We would be mad to let her mind DD, wouldn't we? DH agrees, but we're now coming under pressure from other family members, as SIL has gone round complaining that we're trying to alienate ourselves, that we think we're too good for them,and that we are precious over DD. She has made a few comments to me directly that indicate that she thinks I'm over attached and paranoid about DD,and also that I'm bullying DH into doing things my way (this after DH stood up to her and told her not to swear when she spoke to DD)

The thing is, a lot of the older members of the family (whom I like and get on with) are either scared to disagree with SIL or don't get how things have changed regarding child safety, as they're unwilling to rock the boat, and are making lots of noises about "family" and how SIL loves DD, and how important it is for DD to spend time away from us. It's got to the point where we feel we can't even leave DD with PIL, or anyone else, so far we've just said we aren't leaving her with anybody except for obviously nursery when we go to work.

So AIBU? I don't think I am, but even the few friends I've spoken to think that although my worries are real, I should leave DD with SIL "because she is her aunt at the end of the day". They all seem to be more confident leaving their babies--overnights with granny at eight weeks old and the like- which would have made me sick with anxiety, so maybe it is me?

OP posts:
greenlynx · 04/11/2019 09:02

Of course YANBU, the smoking is a valid reason itself and her DS’s behavior is another one, and don’t even start me on car seats. Just ignore their comments, the main thing is that you and your DH are on the same page.

ittooshallpass · 04/11/2019 09:05

Just laugh and say no every time she asks/ makes comments. Who cares if they think you’re being precious.

Autumnfields · 04/11/2019 09:05

I think it's important not to keep snubbing her. Her parenting and lifestyle may not meet your high standard, but she clearly loves your dd very much and that is more important.

Could not disagree more.

I don’t care if her SIL is nice, is working class, is the queen or desperately needs love - she puts OPs DD in harms way, and is a bully - SIL let’s her own child hit DD, and totally puts down OP if she tries to assert herself on behalf of her child.

OP is not in any way telling SIL how to bring up DN. OP is not bullying SIL.

didofido · 04/11/2019 09:08

" "Getting" the baby is a really big thing,"

Anyone watched 'Secret Life of the Zoo'? The one where a low-ranking female has had a baby and the other females try to pull the baby away from her. Much screaming, teeth-gnashing, lashing the ground with branches.

We haven't evolved far, have we?

Ohyesiam · 04/11/2019 09:08

It’s not you, it’s really not you and your anxiety. You have your daughters best interests at heart.

You are going to have to be the branch of the family that stands up to SIL, who sounds a nightmare.

And your daughter DOES NOT need to spend time away from you. E had no family round us, so our kids were never away from us, and are both happy confident teens.

I would be tempted to move away. Your situation.

RightYesButNo · 04/11/2019 09:09

Everyone else has covered the issue at hand: never trust someone to look after your child that you wouldn’t even trust to look after your handbag, and that definitely sounds like this situation.

Now as for the but sorry a toy wasn’t “thick with nicotine grease“ 🙄, the attached pic is what the home of a heavy smoker looks like when the objects are removed. So, as you can see, the spots that have stayed whiter are where objects have taken the brunt of the nicotine staining instead of the room. You can “feel” it as more of a build-up on certain objects that are plastic or glass, like light bulbs.

I’m hoping someone just thought that nicotine build-up wasn’t greasy, and that’s the argument. Because there definitely is build-up, it’s a form of third-hand smoke, and it’s dangerous: theconversation.com/tobacco-smoke-residue-that-lingers-in-furniture-curtains-and-house-dust-can-still-be-harmful-84145

AIBU not to ever leave my child with her?
Whitleyboy · 04/11/2019 09:10

There is no need for your child to ever be left on her own with her aunt. If you want to leave her with her that is fine. It is also fine if you don't. The aunt does not have any rights.

I would just tell her straight that it isn't going to happen because she has no respect for the law regarding safe travel in a car and that she doesn't prevent her son from hitting her etc. I would just repeat my reasons to all other relatives sticking their oar in. Leave out the part about smoke as some may see that as nit-picking (despite the smell of smoke being awful).

I don't see that the argument about SIL loving your child. Presumably she loves her son but subjected him to danger when travelling unrestrained in her car.

If you never want to leave her alone with anyone except the nursery staff then that is fine too. You will probably change your mind as you become more confident with motherhood but, even then, you do not have to leave her with anyone you consider puts her safety at risk.

TimeForAChristmasUsername · 04/11/2019 09:14

I don't see where the class divide comes in, I was brought up in a council flat by a single mother, SIL comes from a family who have farmed the same land for a century (though she doesn't have anything to do with that now)

I do think SIL loves DD, I actually have never doubted that and that's what makes it hard. I'd love DD to have a nice auntie who would enjoy spending time with her, but SIL will just put the TV on, sit on the sofa, and give her sweets at the very best.

DH agrees with me and sees it all himself. He has put SIL straight on some occasions. She got very upset and backed off a bit but it's ramped up recently with PIL in the mix

OP posts:
TimeForAChristmasUsername · 04/11/2019 09:16

Funny you say about the monkeys. I have felt at times that this is a way of SIL asserting dominance over me, now that I am a mother in the family, if that makes sense, but I can't put my finger on why. It's so far from how I operate

OP posts:
strawberry2017 · 04/11/2019 09:16

Don't feel bad for wanting to protect your daughter. She doesn't sound like she is someone I would trust my daughter with.
Family don't get to dictate how you raise your child, you and Dh get to decide. If they are too scared to stand up to her now; imagine if something did happen to DD In her care, they would probably defend her!

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 04/11/2019 09:19

Tell them that if SIL wants to play mummy to a girl, then she could always try for a second child.

Keep saying no and follow that up with a "If you keep persisting, then you wont be seeing DD at all."

SarahNade · 04/11/2019 09:19

Those that say the OP is 'exaggerating' about the nicotine greasy are so naive and don't have any idea what they are talking about. It is a real thing, especially with heavy chain smokers. My uncle is a very heavy chain smoker (lucky if he lasts 5 mins without a smoke) and everything has a brown haze. Couches, door handles, books, tables, jug in the kitchen, the tv, all stunk and looked dirty.
The remote control for his tv - which was new and he only had for one year when I first saw it, was so dirty and greasy from nicotine, the numbers on the buttons stained completely and were completely eaten away by the nicotine (you had no idea wtf button was what because all the writing was stripped off by the nicotine) and and the whole remote looked like it was 30 years old, and used by a coal miner who had sump oil on their hands, instead of one year old. Unless you haven't seen it, you don't understand, and truly don't know what you are talking about.

OP, not only are you definitely not being unreasonable, I would worry about your friends if they all think her being the aunt will make up for your DD being bashed and choked by DN, or choke on lollies, or be thrown through the car windscreen. They are advocating you play Russian roulette, just because 'she's her aunt'. They don't seem to have good values or good judge of character, and are prepared to risk a child's safety for the some aunt who has a son who wants to kill your daughter. Get better friends.

PlasticRainHood · 04/11/2019 09:29

Fuck no, don't leave your DD with your SIL.

SIL is a bully and wants ownership and control over all members of "her" family.

It's really weird to be so obsessive about getting DD away from you. If she loves DD, fine, she can see her and does see her, with you there. Why doesn't that count as spending time with her?

SIL is fiercely territorial and EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE in the family has to be her territory. She wants to piss all over your boundaries to assert dominance. Just like those apes a PP was mentioning.

username1724 · 04/11/2019 09:32

I hate all these sayings of 'well she is their aunt/nan/grandad' etc as if they some kind of ownership of your child. Did they decide to have your baby? Did they carry that baby? Did they have any part in making that baby? Are they raising that baby? No. Just keep going as you are, dont feel bad, feel good that your making the right decision for YOUR baby.

Clangus00 · 04/11/2019 09:37

Dear, sweet, blithering God, NO!

horse4course · 04/11/2019 09:38

I think you might see DN's behaviour a little differently when your DD is big enough to be a brute with other kids - but they should intervene more. And yanbu about all the other bits.

Part of being a parent is being willing to do the best for your kids even if it is awkward or inconvenient for other people.

Do you live close to the in laws? A bit of distance might make it easier to control when and how they see DD!

Sunflowersok · 04/11/2019 09:43

You’re not being unreasonable at all!
Your DD, your rules. If anyone else judges you for whatever they think of the situation then let them.

She sounds horrendous tbh

GabriellaMontez · 04/11/2019 09:44

Feeding her sweets and refusing to use a car seat is not my idea of showing love. SIL sounds very self centred and grabby. You don't describe loving behaviours.

Your anxiety about leaving Dd with Sil is totally justified and i dont see why you'd apologise for it.

Ispini · 04/11/2019 09:44

You are absolutely right to trust your instincts in this situation. I personally wouldn’t give a dam who I was offending when it came to my daughters when they were little. She is your precious girl, imagine how you would feel if you gave in to keep the peace and God forbid she got injured.
You are her mother, you have the last word. All the best in going forward, what a dreadful situation.
Stand firm with your DH and let the rest of the ILs get as offended as they please.

Jellybeansincognito · 04/11/2019 09:45

I never understand the logic of this sentence ‘ So AIBU? I don't think I am, but even the few friends I've spoken to think that although my worries are real, I should leave DD with SIL "because she is her aunt at the end of the day".’

Would they be saying the same if she was a sex offender? No.

I don’t understand why you’re taking child round there to endure this, never mind try to justify not leaving your child with her. You don’t have to justify anything that has to do with your child. The answer is no. Why? No, can we talk about it? No. End of discussion.

Jellybeansincognito · 04/11/2019 09:48

You don’t even have to be nasty about it.

‘sorry, we clearly parent our children very differently and unfortunately you undermine my safety wishes at every given opportunity so I cannot trust you to have x alone’.

Spied · 04/11/2019 09:54

No way would DD be going to spend time alone with Aunt in charge.
My DD is 8 YEARS old and I still don't allow her Aunt to take her out alone as I don't trust her and believe she is reckless.

Smelborp · 04/11/2019 10:02

Hell would freeze over before I left her with them. This isn’t just ‘doing things differently’ it’s basic safety concerns.

The smoking, the car seats, the bullying from an older child, the choking hazards and threatening to undermine your chosen ways of doing things - any one of these would be enough to say no to her staying over. All of them are bad.

Just no, never.

DistanceCall · 04/11/2019 10:03

No way.

But tell your husband to deal with her and tell her that she needs to take a step back. It's his sister, not yours. Stand firm.

shearwater · 04/11/2019 10:08

YANBU. She sounds like a rubbish mother and not to be trusted with her own child, let alone someone else's.

And I'd report her to the police for the car seat as well.