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AIBU not to ever leave my child with her?

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TimeForAChristmasUsername · 03/11/2019 23:47

DD is 18 months old. She is the second grandchild on DH's side.

I find DH's sister quite hard to handle,although she can be generous and kind, she is also very shouty and loud, likes to control/portray herself as the matriarch of the family, and consequently I prefer her in small doses. So I may be unreasonable.

SIL has, from the day DD was born, talked a lot about how she's going to have her at her house all the time. She used to try and lift her out of my arms, and say things like "you have her all the time, it's my go now" when DD was hours old. This rubbed me up the wrong way to begin with. She is also jealous that "we got the girl".

I had a very difficult birth and quite a long recovery, so I didn't really leave the house for three weeks, and when I did, DH took us out for a quick lunch in a restaurant and a trip round the shops. We stopped into pils enroute, SIL was there, and she became pushy about trying to get us to leave DD there, and for us to go on our own. I just found it really uncomfortable.

Now for the crux of the matter. DD is getting older, toddling around, and SIL has upped the comments about how she's going to have DD all to herself and let her eat all the sweets she wants. I've more or less told her no regarding the sweets - I am quite strict with DD's diet, but SIL will try and give her things which are choking hazards - her own son was allowed to eat bags of Chupa Chup lollies from ten months old.

Sil's son, DN, is four. He absolutely hates my DD, especially now she is mobile. I have physically had to prevent him getting at her at times. He has kicked out at her, pushed her, tried to slap her,screamed in her face, snatched toys from her. We have unfortunately had to cut down the amount of time we spend with DN, as although SIL does try to intervene, it takes the form of shouting DN's name from the sofa, not actually stopping the behaviour.

What I found particularly worrying was that DN on one occasion was particularly keen to get DD into a play tent which had a zip up door - he was very insistant that DD should come with him into the tent and that the door should be zipped right up. I was suspicious of this, given DN has lashed out at DD for merely walking past him, so I said no, but at one point I went out of the room, and when I came back moments later, SIL had the door zipped up. I looked through the little net window on the tent and DN had DD's arm in both his hands - obviously I shouted "no!" and pulled her out. I think everyone present thought I was overreacting. Obviously DN is just a little boy, but he's a big boy compared to DD and I don't think SIL or PILs quite grasp how much damage he could do.

As well as this, SIL smokes heavily- I have to bathe DD after visits as DD reeks of smoke just from SIL holding her, even if we are at our house or PILs (nonsmokers) SIL brought round a plastic baby toy of DN's and it was thick with nicotine grease.

DN also hasn't been in a car seat since he could pull himself up to stand, SIL thinks they are nonsense and she grew up alright without one etc. I have seen DN standing up on the back seat, hanging out the windows.

We would be mad to let her mind DD, wouldn't we? DH agrees, but we're now coming under pressure from other family members, as SIL has gone round complaining that we're trying to alienate ourselves, that we think we're too good for them,and that we are precious over DD. She has made a few comments to me directly that indicate that she thinks I'm over attached and paranoid about DD,and also that I'm bullying DH into doing things my way (this after DH stood up to her and told her not to swear when she spoke to DD)

The thing is, a lot of the older members of the family (whom I like and get on with) are either scared to disagree with SIL or don't get how things have changed regarding child safety, as they're unwilling to rock the boat, and are making lots of noises about "family" and how SIL loves DD, and how important it is for DD to spend time away from us. It's got to the point where we feel we can't even leave DD with PIL, or anyone else, so far we've just said we aren't leaving her with anybody except for obviously nursery when we go to work.

So AIBU? I don't think I am, but even the few friends I've spoken to think that although my worries are real, I should leave DD with SIL "because she is her aunt at the end of the day". They all seem to be more confident leaving their babies--overnights with granny at eight weeks old and the like- which would have made me sick with anxiety, so maybe it is me?

OP posts:
Mammylamb · 04/11/2019 08:22

No chance would I leave my child with her. It’s your child. Not hers.

But is there really such a thing as nicotine grease?

Autumnfields · 04/11/2019 08:23

@TimeForAChristmasUsername yes be very very careful! And don’t take their feelings into account.

You describe a family who like exDPs expect the kids to be dumped on them whenever and no one to question it. Posters saying you are being snobby are out of order - as that is exactly what is being used against me and might become the story with you.

Families like yours and my ILs can become very defensive and what better way to defend themselves than turning on you and calling you a snob? You cannot avoid this to just keep as unconfrontational as possible but get your DD away from her.

I’m now labelled controlling and superior - all because I do not want my DS spending time with people who hate me and have no clue how to look after DS in the way that I want. Which is a standard I’m sticking to as he is my child! Unfortunately exDP is now taking his cues from SIL as to how to parent rather than me - enemy number one!

It is chilling. And it’s our kids in the middle of that - get her out of it. It’s not safe, it’s damaging and we are there to protect them not adult egos.

Throckmorton · 04/11/2019 08:23

To add to that, I would actually cut down contact with the lot of them. They aren't good for your DD with the way they act (and smoke)

Mammylamb · 04/11/2019 08:25

I can’t really understand the obsession they have with you leaving your child with them. It’s reallg bloody odd

GabriellaMontez · 04/11/2019 08:31

She's a bully so you will have to stand up to her. Hints aren't going to work.

If she's offended, that's ok. Likewise any other family members. Your priority is your dd whose welfare and happiness is more important than them.

If it helps, nod and say "yes we are precious, that's not the way we so it". It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Although you can bet they'll be a couple of family members glad to see someone standing up to her.

Preggosaurus9 · 04/11/2019 08:33

SIL sounds like a lunatic. Stay the fuck away.

Agree no is a complete sentence and fuck off even better in this situation as it sounds like none of them will back down until you make it crystal clear!

StatisticallyChallenged · 04/11/2019 08:34

There is definitely such a thing as nicotine grease - not sure if it's actually nicotine or the various tars etc but heavy smoking can leave an awful greasy sticky residue on walls, ceiling and anything else in the vicinity.

I helped a friend strip out a council house where the previous tenants had been long term smokers. The ceilings were all papered and browny yellow. Steam stripping them was horrific, as the steam turned the grease liquid which then dripped on your head. It was foul, and unmistakably cigarette smelling

Bottledate · 04/11/2019 08:36

Being a smoker in the house would be enough for me to say no.

Bottledate · 04/11/2019 08:38

Steam stripping them was horrific, as the steam turned the grease liquid which then dripped on your head. It was foul, and unmistakably cigarette smelling

Ditto this, not nice when you are looking up at the ceiling.

nettie434 · 04/11/2019 08:39

But is there really such a thing as nicotine grease?

It is so long since smoking was forbidden in public places that fewer of us know the effect of it. I probably would have put ‘stain’ rather than grease but I know exactly what OP means. As others say, it really isn’t surprising that the toy needed to be washed, given it was kept in the smoking area.

YANBU TimeforaChristmasusername for all the reasons others have already given. She really doesn’t sound suitable and even if she was Mary Poppins you would not have to leave your DD with her if you didn’t want to.

diddl · 04/11/2019 08:40

If you don't want to leave your daughter with someone, you don't have to.

Even if it's the kindest, most caring person who is asking.

TimeForAChristmasUsername · 04/11/2019 08:40

Piffle yes that's the way DN is with DD. They are constantly pushing him to "give kisses" and the like, and it just puts him under pressure and enrages him more. I was getting somewhere at one point by getting on the floor with them and building block towers etc but it's gone backwards again now DD is older. Again every time DN has taken a swing for her excuses have been made. Boys will be boys, he's only little.

Autumn I'm sure they absolutely do think I'm a snob, with all my fancy notions, that I've clearly inflicted on poor DH. I've actually seen a similar scenario play out with a friend whose PILs are scarily similar, "you're a snob" seems to be the default insult in these cases

OP posts:
Soontobe60 · 04/11/2019 08:44

I wouldn’t leave my child with anyone who smoked. Ever.
I do think that it would be good to have your dn round to yours to okay with your dd. You’re being a bit overprotective where yes concerned.

ThatLibraryMiss · 04/11/2019 08:46

SIL has upped the comments about how she's going to have DD all to herself and let her eat all the sweets she wants.

"And that, SIL, is why you'll never be looking after her."

welshsoph · 04/11/2019 08:46

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justilou1 · 04/11/2019 08:47

Have you not wanted to answer “You’re such a dickhead?” and walk off? Problem probably solved. You can stand up to them....

ThatMuppetShow · 04/11/2019 08:49

why do you even care what that woman thinks? I would try to avoid her as much as possible, and would never ever leave my child with your parents-in-law if there was a risk she would be around.

I hate these people who think a baby and young child are an object and try to score points by grabbing them. I agree with above, "fuck off" or never seeing them again would work.

Cauliflowerpower · 04/11/2019 08:51

I don't think that you will change them. Just let them carry on. Keep saying no and let their comments roll off you

"you're precious"

"yup, now what are we doing for lunch?"

"You think you're better than us" "I never said that. Did you see strictly last night "

"why don't you a b c" " ,not this again... lets talk about something else please"

user1374384 · 04/11/2019 08:54

This is a class divide thing really isn't it, you clearly have wildly different lifestyles and expectations. It always seems to be a particular type of family who put pressure to babysit when it isn't needed, I've seen posts like this again and again. Do you not have any of these issues with your DH? Is SIL a lot younger?

I do think you need to be careful not to push them away too much and there is an element of PFB in your post, but some of your concerns would also bother me. I would try not to reject all visits etc. Maybe SIL is desperate for babysitting herself and hopes you will reciprocate? What about asking if she would like to take your dd out somewhere for the day for some auntie/niece bonding where you drop her off so no car seat issues, and you look after DN at the same time? Say you aren't comfortable for her to go for sleepovers with anyone yet and apologise for being anxious I think it's important not to keep snubbing her. Her parenting and lifestyle may not meet your high standard, but she clearly loves your dd very much and that is more important.

Autumnfields · 04/11/2019 08:55

@Soontobe60 no I think she needs to get her DD totally away from her DN too. It’s just trouble. DN has been bought up with totally different values and is bullying DD already.

I also have this. There is a young relation that SIL takes in while DS is there and I now have so many concerns about the bullying of me DS that it makes me feel sick. I’ve bought it up with professionals and although it doesn’t hit the bar for me to be able to do anything through courts - it is detrimental to DS.

Why would OP invite a young kid around who is violent and nasty to her very young child? It’s abusive frankly and by allowing it we are letting our kids be abused.

Notodontidae · 04/11/2019 08:57

YANBU. It does seem like they think you are stiffling DD, but stick to your guns, and since you dont really want to fall out with SIL, use the smoking as the reason "Say it gives DD breathing difficulties at night, and you have to keep going outside away from it while your there?" DH should back you up, so nas not to offend SIL.

Autumnfields · 04/11/2019 08:59

@user1374384 I think calling this a class divide minimizes and sidesteps the obvious harm and is deeply offensive to all the lower class families who do use car seats, do stop their kids hitting each other and don’t smoke around their kids.

It also defines ‘harm’ as different parenting. It’s not it’s differences in harm. Very important difference.

Eastie77 · 04/11/2019 09:00

Obviously a No. I've seen countless threads on MN where OP needs help because "such and such a family member is insisting they WILL look after my baby and I don't know to do" and it confuses me. I'm not a confrontational person and hate arguments but would have no difficulty turning down someone unsuitable who wanted to look after my DC, family or otherwise.

This is your baby. It doesn't have to be a long conversation "No, you are not looking after DD" is enough. In the case of this awful SIL I would make the reason clear though.

Unsureconfused · 04/11/2019 09:01

YADNBU, I would not leave her! You are her mum, take a stand and say no. I had similar problems with my SIL and MIL, trying to take over when my DD was born. They get the message eventually!

Mamabear144 · 04/11/2019 09:01

Not a chance. Dd is your child, it's your decision and you call the shots not SIL. She will just have to get over herself. You are making the right decisions regarding your DD and keeping her safe and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.