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AIBU?

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AIBU not to ever leave my child with her?

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TimeForAChristmasUsername · 03/11/2019 23:47

DD is 18 months old. She is the second grandchild on DH's side.

I find DH's sister quite hard to handle,although she can be generous and kind, she is also very shouty and loud, likes to control/portray herself as the matriarch of the family, and consequently I prefer her in small doses. So I may be unreasonable.

SIL has, from the day DD was born, talked a lot about how she's going to have her at her house all the time. She used to try and lift her out of my arms, and say things like "you have her all the time, it's my go now" when DD was hours old. This rubbed me up the wrong way to begin with. She is also jealous that "we got the girl".

I had a very difficult birth and quite a long recovery, so I didn't really leave the house for three weeks, and when I did, DH took us out for a quick lunch in a restaurant and a trip round the shops. We stopped into pils enroute, SIL was there, and she became pushy about trying to get us to leave DD there, and for us to go on our own. I just found it really uncomfortable.

Now for the crux of the matter. DD is getting older, toddling around, and SIL has upped the comments about how she's going to have DD all to herself and let her eat all the sweets she wants. I've more or less told her no regarding the sweets - I am quite strict with DD's diet, but SIL will try and give her things which are choking hazards - her own son was allowed to eat bags of Chupa Chup lollies from ten months old.

Sil's son, DN, is four. He absolutely hates my DD, especially now she is mobile. I have physically had to prevent him getting at her at times. He has kicked out at her, pushed her, tried to slap her,screamed in her face, snatched toys from her. We have unfortunately had to cut down the amount of time we spend with DN, as although SIL does try to intervene, it takes the form of shouting DN's name from the sofa, not actually stopping the behaviour.

What I found particularly worrying was that DN on one occasion was particularly keen to get DD into a play tent which had a zip up door - he was very insistant that DD should come with him into the tent and that the door should be zipped right up. I was suspicious of this, given DN has lashed out at DD for merely walking past him, so I said no, but at one point I went out of the room, and when I came back moments later, SIL had the door zipped up. I looked through the little net window on the tent and DN had DD's arm in both his hands - obviously I shouted "no!" and pulled her out. I think everyone present thought I was overreacting. Obviously DN is just a little boy, but he's a big boy compared to DD and I don't think SIL or PILs quite grasp how much damage he could do.

As well as this, SIL smokes heavily- I have to bathe DD after visits as DD reeks of smoke just from SIL holding her, even if we are at our house or PILs (nonsmokers) SIL brought round a plastic baby toy of DN's and it was thick with nicotine grease.

DN also hasn't been in a car seat since he could pull himself up to stand, SIL thinks they are nonsense and she grew up alright without one etc. I have seen DN standing up on the back seat, hanging out the windows.

We would be mad to let her mind DD, wouldn't we? DH agrees, but we're now coming under pressure from other family members, as SIL has gone round complaining that we're trying to alienate ourselves, that we think we're too good for them,and that we are precious over DD. She has made a few comments to me directly that indicate that she thinks I'm over attached and paranoid about DD,and also that I'm bullying DH into doing things my way (this after DH stood up to her and told her not to swear when she spoke to DD)

The thing is, a lot of the older members of the family (whom I like and get on with) are either scared to disagree with SIL or don't get how things have changed regarding child safety, as they're unwilling to rock the boat, and are making lots of noises about "family" and how SIL loves DD, and how important it is for DD to spend time away from us. It's got to the point where we feel we can't even leave DD with PIL, or anyone else, so far we've just said we aren't leaving her with anybody except for obviously nursery when we go to work.

So AIBU? I don't think I am, but even the few friends I've spoken to think that although my worries are real, I should leave DD with SIL "because she is her aunt at the end of the day". They all seem to be more confident leaving their babies--overnights with granny at eight weeks old and the like- which would have made me sick with anxiety, so maybe it is me?

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Thewheelsarefallingoff · 04/11/2019 06:42

Report her to the police for the car seat thing. That is so stupid.

yummychoccy · 04/11/2019 06:45

Even if she was the most pleasant person in the world, you don't have to leave your daughter with anyone unless you want to! It's your choice. Youre her mother.

Elderflower14 · 04/11/2019 06:48

Read your post. Imagine that was a friend telling you that story about her child and her nephew... What would you say to her???

Pringlesfortea · 04/11/2019 06:49

NO

no and no again

GreySheep · 04/11/2019 07:09

Had similar with Step MIL when DD was little. SMIL smoked weed and rarely forced seatbelts to be used let alone car seats.

Told her she’d never have DD and to stop asking. Never left DD alone with anyone from DH’s side of the family due to this.

DD’s safety was more important that what family members thought of me.

Innertwist · 04/11/2019 07:09

I am totally with you on all of this and no don’t leave DD with her she sounds awful, but sorry a toy wasn’t “thick with nicotine grease“ 🙄

Slightly off the point but my brother gave me a white gloss shelving unit - it took ages to get that sticky nicotine grease off despite using all sorts of cleaning products.

CaptainMyCaptain · 04/11/2019 07:18

Definitely don't let her stay with Sil for so many reasons. Tell her why and accept no bullshit. She is your DD and Aunts have no special claim on a child.

'Nicotine grease' might be a slight exaggeration but, as a teacher, I have taken books and other things out of children's book bags that just made me heave, the tobacco smell was so bad. I know where the OP is coming from.

Morgan12 · 04/11/2019 07:24

Just say its because of the smoking. That's not unreasonable at all.

But I do think your post reeks of pfb and you may have exaggerated a bit.

CaptainMyCaptain · 04/11/2019 07:27

Agreed, the smoking would be enough of a reason for me too.

81Byerley · 04/11/2019 07:37

I would say no and if she made a fuss, I would tell her "Three reasons, car seat, smoking, and sweets". They are all safety issues and reasonable reasons not to let her look after your daughter.

Davespecifico · 04/11/2019 07:41

She sounds absolutely dreadful. I wouldn’t leave a child with her. Limit your time there, and always supervise.

Molly2010 · 04/11/2019 07:42

It is tough to say no, especially to family. In this case I would avoid. Avoid spending time with them until your DD is older. Avoid the question with no response to messages (your phone is playing up etc). You’ve already made your feelings clear and she is ignoring this and going to other family members. What more can you do without starting some sort of feud?
Just become unavailable for a while.

Nanny0gg · 04/11/2019 07:47

I really don't know why you're asking.

One of those reasons would be enough

SlideIn · 04/11/2019 07:54

Hella nope. I'd be cheerfully telling her you're into attachment parenting and won't be leaving her with anybody until she's 23. JFC.

MuchTooTired · 04/11/2019 08:03

I’m extremely happy to leave my DTs with family, but if she were my SIL there’s no way I’d leave my kids with her. She might be your DD’s aunt, but she’s YOUR DD, and if you’re not comfortable with it that should be the end of it.

I’ve not had to do it very often, but there have been occasions where (despite being a people pleaser and and scared of saying no) I have just had to woman up and say NO, I am not comfortable with that, and when questioned further end the conversation by saying I don’t need to justify or explain my reasoning, they’re my kids and I say no.

Your kid, your rules.

TimeForAChristmasUsername · 04/11/2019 08:09

It bloody WAS think with nicotine grease. BIL hides in the utility room to smoke for hours, and that's where they store DNs outgrown toys. It was a hard plastic toy and it absolutely reeked and was covered in a sticky film. I soaked it and the water went all yellowy brown. It's nicotine grease, I had to scrub enough of it off the ceiling of my first non halls digs back in student days!

Thank you for your replies. When I lay it all out, I KNOW that I'm right, it's obvious, but in practice it's really tricky to negotiate. DH's family have turned out to be quite touchy and particular when grandchildren are thrown into the mix - very quick to feel slighted and offended by things that wouldn't even be worthy of comment in my own family. "Getting" the baby is a really big thing,and as SIL is the only aunt, I think there is an expectation that this should be made more of. PILs had DN a lot as a baby, still do now, and I almost get the feeling that they expected us to palm off DD onto SIL the way she did with PIL and DN. I'm beginning to realise the dynamics are a bit skewed in the family, but at the same time they aren't bad people, and we've gone years with no issues, so negotiating it all now I've had DD is not what I was expecting and is making me doubt myself

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Nanny0gg · 04/11/2019 08:10

Frankly, let them be offended.

She's not a toy and you do what you feel is right. Just don't let your DH get sucked in.

Autumnfields · 04/11/2019 08:12

Oh god no don’t leave her ever with them and cut down any visits.
YANBU

I have a SIL who is overbearing like this. I used to like her though. But I remember her being very bossy and telling me one family occasion to just let her look after DS age 3 in the front garden for a little while. I felt under pressure so I said yes - next thing I looked out and DS was running into the road while SIL distracted. She is way too loud and in your face for DS who has special needs so pretty vulnerable.

Fast forward to now, I am having major problems as DP and I are separating and he is letting SIL see DS without me loads and she is becoming very attached - she’s no kids of her own - I feel she is actively trying to take over as Mum. I have major major concerns which I have expressed and none taken seriously. And also now SIL has totally turned on me and spreads hate about me in front of DS on a regular basis.

Nightmare.

So put your foot down now while you still can!

TimeForAChristmasUsername · 04/11/2019 08:13

The other thing is that PIL are also very invested in SIL having DD, to the point where they have actually tried to manipulate DH into leaving her. DH went to visit his parents with DD, for example, and FIL phoned him en route and asked him to come and help him collect some wood from a neighbour. DH said oh I can't because I have DD, FIL said why don't you drop her off at Sils then? DH obviously said no, and his dad got all eye rolly and started with the "you're precious" comments. There has now been a family decision made that DD is clingy and we are spoiling her

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TimeForAChristmasUsername · 04/11/2019 08:15

Autumnfields you could be describing my SIL,that is chilling, I'm sorry to hear you're still having such problems

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Sashkin · 04/11/2019 08:15

but sorry a toy wasn’t “thick with nicotine grease

I’ve been to patient’s houses where everything including the teacups had brown sticky nicotine staining on them. I don’t find that part hard to believe at all. I suspect those who do, haven’t spent much time in the homes of heavy, 100 a day, long-term smokers. Everything gets covered in a brown oily sticky coating, even the ceilings and walls. It is foul.

Sayhellotothethings · 04/11/2019 08:15

I would 100% not leave my child with her.
Who cares about offending her. The welfare of your child is the priority and should be for everyone.

I have to bathe DD after visits as DD reeks of smoke just from SIL holding her
I also wouldn't let her hold her, personally!

Sayhellotothethings · 04/11/2019 08:18

DH obviously said no, and his dad got all eye rolly and started with the "you're precious" comments. There has now been a family decision made that DD is clingy and we are spoiling her

Have neither of you reacted to this by explaining your reasoning? I don't understand why people insist on young children and babies being left, especially if the parent has not even asked.

Piffle11 · 04/11/2019 08:20

Wow, SIL sounds like a right charmer! Trying to bully you into doing what she says. No, don't leave DD with her. I had something similar when DS1 was young, only with MIL. She would often have her other DGS, and he really took against DS. He started physically attacking him from the first time he met him: DS was under a month old, and DN was trying to hit him and pulling his arms and legs. MIL was just sat there, doing her fucking tinkly laugh 'oh, I think he's a wee bit jealous' … and it didn't get better. What really pissed me off was that MIL would make excuses for DN - 'no, I don't think he actually touched him', 'he didn't push him, your DS just fell' - that sort of thing. I kept telling her it had to stop or I wouldn't have them in the same room: I remember her having to physically restrain DN, who was trying to get at DS. Sounds OTT, but it really was terrible. I would have never left them together with MIL, as I couldn't trust her to protect my DS: she seemed to favour her older DGS and always made excuses. If my DS had been hurt I would never have got to the bottom of it, as she would lie to protect her other DGS. Your SIL would do the same.

Throckmorton · 04/11/2019 08:20

Apart from everything else, the smoking is a massive health hazard to your DD. Even without that though, I wouldn't leave anything I cared about with SIL

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