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AIBU not to ever leave my child with her?

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TimeForAChristmasUsername · 03/11/2019 23:47

DD is 18 months old. She is the second grandchild on DH's side.

I find DH's sister quite hard to handle,although she can be generous and kind, she is also very shouty and loud, likes to control/portray herself as the matriarch of the family, and consequently I prefer her in small doses. So I may be unreasonable.

SIL has, from the day DD was born, talked a lot about how she's going to have her at her house all the time. She used to try and lift her out of my arms, and say things like "you have her all the time, it's my go now" when DD was hours old. This rubbed me up the wrong way to begin with. She is also jealous that "we got the girl".

I had a very difficult birth and quite a long recovery, so I didn't really leave the house for three weeks, and when I did, DH took us out for a quick lunch in a restaurant and a trip round the shops. We stopped into pils enroute, SIL was there, and she became pushy about trying to get us to leave DD there, and for us to go on our own. I just found it really uncomfortable.

Now for the crux of the matter. DD is getting older, toddling around, and SIL has upped the comments about how she's going to have DD all to herself and let her eat all the sweets she wants. I've more or less told her no regarding the sweets - I am quite strict with DD's diet, but SIL will try and give her things which are choking hazards - her own son was allowed to eat bags of Chupa Chup lollies from ten months old.

Sil's son, DN, is four. He absolutely hates my DD, especially now she is mobile. I have physically had to prevent him getting at her at times. He has kicked out at her, pushed her, tried to slap her,screamed in her face, snatched toys from her. We have unfortunately had to cut down the amount of time we spend with DN, as although SIL does try to intervene, it takes the form of shouting DN's name from the sofa, not actually stopping the behaviour.

What I found particularly worrying was that DN on one occasion was particularly keen to get DD into a play tent which had a zip up door - he was very insistant that DD should come with him into the tent and that the door should be zipped right up. I was suspicious of this, given DN has lashed out at DD for merely walking past him, so I said no, but at one point I went out of the room, and when I came back moments later, SIL had the door zipped up. I looked through the little net window on the tent and DN had DD's arm in both his hands - obviously I shouted "no!" and pulled her out. I think everyone present thought I was overreacting. Obviously DN is just a little boy, but he's a big boy compared to DD and I don't think SIL or PILs quite grasp how much damage he could do.

As well as this, SIL smokes heavily- I have to bathe DD after visits as DD reeks of smoke just from SIL holding her, even if we are at our house or PILs (nonsmokers) SIL brought round a plastic baby toy of DN's and it was thick with nicotine grease.

DN also hasn't been in a car seat since he could pull himself up to stand, SIL thinks they are nonsense and she grew up alright without one etc. I have seen DN standing up on the back seat, hanging out the windows.

We would be mad to let her mind DD, wouldn't we? DH agrees, but we're now coming under pressure from other family members, as SIL has gone round complaining that we're trying to alienate ourselves, that we think we're too good for them,and that we are precious over DD. She has made a few comments to me directly that indicate that she thinks I'm over attached and paranoid about DD,and also that I'm bullying DH into doing things my way (this after DH stood up to her and told her not to swear when she spoke to DD)

The thing is, a lot of the older members of the family (whom I like and get on with) are either scared to disagree with SIL or don't get how things have changed regarding child safety, as they're unwilling to rock the boat, and are making lots of noises about "family" and how SIL loves DD, and how important it is for DD to spend time away from us. It's got to the point where we feel we can't even leave DD with PIL, or anyone else, so far we've just said we aren't leaving her with anybody except for obviously nursery when we go to work.

So AIBU? I don't think I am, but even the few friends I've spoken to think that although my worries are real, I should leave DD with SIL "because she is her aunt at the end of the day". They all seem to be more confident leaving their babies--overnights with granny at eight weeks old and the like- which would have made me sick with anxiety, so maybe it is me?

OP posts:
managedmis · 04/11/2019 01:23

Just say no.

She's hard faced and insistent? So you be like that too

PepePig · 04/11/2019 01:28

Do not leave her. She sounds like she would genuinely be at risk. Don't back down for anyone.

LovePoppy · 04/11/2019 01:39

Let her have her tantrums
Any family member that “sides” with her was never a good person in your life to begin with

Whataliberty · 04/11/2019 01:39

No way should you leave your dd with her. Just say no. There is an accident waiting to happen here if you do. I would be keeping my distance from her full stop. Let her say what she wants!

lyralalala · 04/11/2019 01:50

If you don’t trust her then don’t leave her with your SIL. And if you don’t trust other people to stand up to SIL then don’t leave your DD with them.

I won’t allow my aunt to have my youngest DD because I don’t trust her. Unfortunately because she can’t stand up to her mother that means my cousin (I was brought up by my grandparents so I’m particularly close to my cousin as they minded her) can’t have her alone either. It upsets her, but she’s understands why.

Lana08 · 04/11/2019 04:27

Op take out the fact that this is your SIL. Would you let someone like this mind your DD if this was say a childminder or a teacher for example?

Your job as a parent is to protect your child. That comes way before your SIL feelings. As for everyone else they can stay out of it. It’s great your DH is on the same page. Just keep saying no.

Apolloanddaphne · 04/11/2019 04:35

Of course you don't leave your DD with her. She sounds horrendous.

Tvstar · 04/11/2019 04:54

she is also jealous that we 'got the girl'
thick with nicotine grease

Although she sounds brash and has a different set of values to you, you sound quite nasty about her, and rather superior

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/11/2019 05:01

Gosh no. Your dd is precious. I feel terribly sorry for her ds. He probably has very mixed feelings about himself and your dd because he is constantly being reminded that your dd is the preferred child. He also has no way of knowing how you feel. He must be very very stressed and lonely.

The best way to tackle this is to talk to your dn in caring and loving terms about his good features, what he’s great at, what he’s done. Be with the children not the adults chatting. Take an interest him so he knows you care, lots of emphasis on him being kind - especially when he actually isn’t - and that kind children behave in x way. Maybe he can express himself, gentle questions.

As for your sil. No way. Hell would freeze over first. Please report her for the car seat at least.

Butterisbest · 04/11/2019 05:05

You don't have to leave your child with anyone, family or not. Your SIL sounds quite unpleasant so keep your daughter away from her.
But, thick with nicotine grease Slight exaggeration there

Monkeymilkshake · 04/11/2019 05:12

You don't "have to" leave your child with anybody! Family or not. I never understand the argument of "but she's family"... so what!? Doesnt give someone a free pass to anything and everything in your life.
Just say no.
And it's good your husbands backs you up.

cantfindname · 04/11/2019 05:16

I find this insistence by various relatives to have someone's child on their own most odd! I read it again and again on here. It was never a 'thing' when I was growing up nor when my children were. I know I would sometimes go out with my Nan from about 4 years old but that was the extent of it and that was for special treats like visiting Santa or buying a birthday present.

My eldest daughter was 4 before she stayed with my mother and then it was only due to an emergency.

Why do these family members think they have the right to claim 'own time' with children? What the heck do they think they can do on their own that they can't do with you present?

OP I think the time has come for you to put your foot down with a firm hand. Next time she mentions it then say to her that your daughter will not be going anywhere on her own for the foreseeable future and that she is welcome to visit but you are fed up making excuses. If she starts the why etc then you may have to tell her straight. If she flounces then, frankly, it is her loss and I imagine in the long run it would make your life easier not to have to bother with her nonsense.

Gruzinkerbell1 · 04/11/2019 05:37

So this woman:

  • Smokes enough that your daughter stinks when you get her home.

  • Has an older child who bullies and physically attacks your child.

  • Swears in front of your child.

  • Has no concept of child safety or the law regarding car seats.

  • Happily acknowledges that she’d feed your child items that you’ve already said not to.

  • Slags you off to all and sundry for not following her wishes/orders.

I wouldn’t even take my daughter round there, never mind leave her there without me. So your SIL is already getting way more from you than she’d ever get from me.

She should count herself lucky. And you should consider going low or no communication.

EleanorShellstrop100 · 04/11/2019 05:42

Absolutely not! I’d never even consider leaving my daughter with this strange woman and her horrid son! It’s literally an accident waiting to happen.

custardbear · 04/11/2019 05:47

What is this obsession with people wanting 'alone time' with other people's children - I find it strange!
With regard to your SIL absolutely no way, those individual reasons alone would be enough but all of them ....I'm surprised her son is still alive!

ScreamingLadySutch · 04/11/2019 05:48

No.

Please follow your gut, it is telling you no for a reason.

sue51 · 04/11/2019 05:48

Y ANBU. I would not leave a little one in the care of someone who smokes and parents from the comfort of the sofa. Keep your baby away from her.

Chamomileteaplease · 04/11/2019 05:50

There are so many reasons why you should never, ever let your child be left with this horrible woman. But the main one for me is that I feel that both she and her son would be glad if you little girl got hurt.

And that is just horrific.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 04/11/2019 05:56

Oh god. This is giving me flashbacks to when my DS was about 10 and we were round at BIL and SILs place one weekend.

I asked where DNs were "Oh they are at so-and-sos place as we wanted to have a few beers last night. She is bringing them back in the next hour."

Half hour later so-and-so walks in and I just instantly didn't like her. I am not a snob by any means so it wasn't that.

She peppered her conversation to include "hucking" (instead of "fucking" but apparently this doesn't count as swearing 🤔 ) so for example "I took you to the hucking p shop on the way here so huck off asking for sweets"
(I also then had to explain to DS how "p" was not a nice word and very insulting to his asian friends)

She then said she'd be more than happy to look after DS any time me and DH wanted to go out. BIL was all "Oh you wanted to go out more often didn't you? This is your chance!"

Thankfully me and H got in the car shortly after and looked at each other and pretty much said together "Not in a million years". DS also asked from the back seat "Please don't leave me with that lady" and we reassured him we wouldn't.

Rather a lifetime of having "date nights" at home after DS was in bed!

justilou1 · 04/11/2019 06:01

Who cares what your reasons are? (They are very valid, btw....)
DD is your kid and you don’t want to leave her with SIL.
You don’t need to justify this to anyone.

kristallen · 04/11/2019 06:09

Even if she was very close to you with exactly the same values and as sweet as sweet could be without a child who attacks yours (probably jealous his mother wants your daughter so much), even if all those things were the case you would not be U to not leave your child with her.

You're going to need to say no. You can add "No thank you. Thanks for offering though". But nothing else.

MaybeitsMaybelline · 04/11/2019 06:09

You don’t need to ask this.

Loosenisous · 04/11/2019 06:14

There are so many reasons why you should never, ever let your child be left with this horrible woman. But the main one for me is that I feel that both she and her son would be glad if you little girl got hurt

This is absolutely my gut feeling too. Reading the OP gave me the chills.

NoSauce · 04/11/2019 06:18

I wouldn’t leave my dog with SIL let alone my child. Just keep your responses short and snappy and don’t get dragged in to explanations.

Beautiful3 · 04/11/2019 06:38

Think you've answered your own question. It would be a nope from me.