Are you really that bothered about shared toilets?

[Beaverdam]

We were discussing this in work the other day. I really dont care about sharing toilets with males but some of the other women are really annoyed about the idea.

Are you annoyed about this? If so, what isit that you dont like about it? Do you think that the men will perve?

Agree with others in that I wouldn't mind sharing a completely individual toilet/sink (e.g. Like a disabled toilet) with men but I'm picturing my old office toilets which were a line of open top/bottom cubicles and you can hear everything. I find these set ups bad enough being single sex as I get stage fright if there is silence and sometimes couldn't pee. Im sure men won't want us to hear what they are up to as well. Perhaps all communal toilets should get speakers installed with a radio/music playing to help alleviate the embarrassment .

I understand people’s concerns about safety wholeheartedly, especially with regards their children.
But re cleanliness, Women’s toilets are often absolutely filthy - piss all over the seats as some don’t clean up after themselves and hover for some inexplicable reason. I was in one last week that had blood on the seat. I mean absolutely disgusting. and I’m not talking toilets in some seedy bar, these are loos that should be looked after and people using them who aren’t pissed. I’ll not get started on the state of the Ladies loos in pubs and clubs.
In my work place - a government agency - a woman smeared poo on the hand dryer as some sort of campaign with regards the type of dryer installed.
Women can be disgusting as well.

For all the many reasons already posted they are not a good idea. From safety to sanitary.

I currently have a baby and a toddler, if I find a toilet when out which I can fit the double buggy through the door I go to the end cubicle and wee with the door open and pushchair covering the door. To do that in a space where men were too, well that's just mortifying for all. Or unfortunately titillating for some men.

I know male members of my family would hate shared spaces, they have all said in discussion how they would feel embarrassed, awkward and vulnerable to unfounded accusations.

I go to the end cubicle and wee with the door open and pushchair covering the door
Loads of times posters have asked “AIBU to use the disabled loo with my buggy?” and have been told “no, if you’re not disabled you should use the normal loo and wee with the door open so you can see the buggy”. I’m curious to know if mums will still be expected to do this in gender neutral loos?

Personally I think a lot of women (mums with buggies included) will start using the disabled loo if they feel uncomfortable or afraid about using gender neutral facilities. And this will have a knock on effect on disabled people.

Personally I think a lot of women (mums with buggies included) will start using the disabled loo if they feel uncomfortable or afraid about using gender neutral facilities. And this will have a knock on effect on disabled people

Ah... That doesn't matter. As long as a very small minority of men feel comfortable in ladies spaces. Women's comfort, safety and/or vulnerability isn't important.

The loos in my work have full-length doors. Under an inch of gap at the top or bottom.

I wouldn't mind if there was just one room with cubicles that said "loos for everyone".

I would mind if there were two rooms, one with urinals and one without urinals, and both were declared to be "for everyone".

I once had to pee with the door wedged open as I couldn’t get the prom into the cubicle. Baby was still quite young. I had a bit of PTSD post birth and soI was absolutely terrified someone would steal the baby.

It stopped me going out for months to anywhere that I wasn’t sure had a disabled loo ... (yes, I know, I know....shouldn’t use disabled, etc... but wtf are we supposed to do? Birth injuries precluded the use of a sling and I was honestly terrified. It was around then it dawned on me just exactly how little Society cares about women with babies.)

I'm hugely bothered but only
because men are dirty bastards and i don't want to sit on a loo they've been waving their cock over the top of

From Allthesaints male poster ...

More importantly, I recognise there are perverted and dangerous men about and do not want women put in vulnerable or dangerous situations.

I presume that women don't also.

Why would anyone? One has to wonder who would, and why?

Who would want to fly in the face of the stats on male on female violence in any toileting/changing facility by increasing the risk.

Increasing the risk, at huge cost all over the country during a time of apparent austerity and economic uncertainty.

Why is all this govt money being spent on toilets increasing risk to life, instead of being put to policing for instance, or nhs???

Private commercial enterprises also have a duty to protect their clientelle.

Any assault in any loo that is set up in such as way as to increase risk to any vulnerable will be liable.

Under the Equality Act this is all legislated for.

I assume this is why we now have security guards - but they are posted on the ground floor by the main door (and there is an open to the public display area and cafe so they need to make judgments on people).

The unisex row of individual loo cubicles is along a dimly lit corridor (the cubicles are dimly lit too) which is open each end and in the basement which is often desolate.

The building was having issues with drunks and junkies using the cubicles.

I went to an event this week which had temporarily done this. There was one toilet with cubicles and one with urinals and cubicals. To begin with everyone was confused but by the end of the event the first was only occupied by apparent women (willing to queue) and the second by men. The men commented that they didn't like women walking past them when they were using urinals. I didn't like changing my pad knowing that a man was next to me in a cubical with gaps at the bottom and top. I can live with it but I don't like it. I think if we are going this way the I would like fully enclosed cubicals.

There needs to be a penis on the male toilets, a vulva on the females, and both on one for any that want to avoid the others (for any reason whatever).

This is how basic it has to be.

Male toilets are designed for male biology, urinals and so on.

Female toilets are designed for female biology, vulvas, so all sit down toilets, vaginas/uteri, so sanpro dispensers/ bins and areas for baby changing often.

Its all about the biology.

Even if every cubicle (mixed sex) contains all these elements (which it doesn't so women discriminated against) it still presents the problem of increased risk of assault.

Or perhaps its a trial to see how many women are assaulted before being ruled on

But any with penises that like to jump women in enclosed spaces, and they say they are women will have their attack news item written up as 'woman sexually assaulted woman in mixed toilets'.

??? what to do. Women and children avoid toilets. You can't force women to use discriminatory facilities.

Girls refuse tonuse mixed sex loos in schools, so why do schools insist on putting them in?

Pubescent girls won't even take jumpers off in the boiling heat at school because of the attention their breasts get from boys, or just because they feel.exposed.

Stop working against women and girls. That said, boys and men don't like it either.

So who is it? Who actively says the whole single sex thing is not working we need to overhaul the whole toileting system, ignoring the stats, and make them.mixed sex, even though its not something society is in outcry about, when they are about the nhs, policing, helping the vulnerable.

Whos driving this? And why?

But any with penises that like to jump women in enclosed spaces, and they say they are women will have their attack news item written up as 'woman sexually assaulted woman in mixed toilets'.

Yeah, that's it isn't it. "Woman" on woman sexual assault stats will go up and just like that women are as dangerous to other women as men are. Absolute and utterly dangerous and negligent to women's safety. But nevermind eh? Mens feelings are OK

I’d feel very uncomfortable having to change a pad or tampon knowing that a man could hear that.
Some women use a cup thing they need to rinse. They wouldn’t want to do that in front of a man... I wouldn’t anyway.
There’s always a vile smell of wee where men go to the loo. They aren’t particularly private about it either.
I also recall a conversation with my ex and his friends about one of their mates pleasuring themselves on a lunch break in the loo. I’d seriously like to think that was a rare case however I bet there are plenty of men who do that.
So no, the thought of having to use shared loos is disgusting to me and I seriously feel uncomfortable with it. I also don’t want my teen daughter having to use a shared loo and I know she would hate it too.

Op, in case you missed it, I'll ask my question again here.

You state in your OP that you "really don't care" about mixed-sex spaces but later clarify that you actually would prefer separate male and female facilities.

Can I please ask you why you'd prefer that, since you asked us to do the same?