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To ask why everyone hates Corbyn?

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timeaftertime79 · 31/10/2019 21:38

I’d genuinely like to see some facts and reasons as to why Corbyn is so awful that people would choose voting Tory (and people dying) over him.

Genuine reasons that are factual ... I’m wondering what information I seem to be missing that everyone else is seeing?

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Sunshine93 · 31/10/2019 22:52

Wow this thread has filled up quickly. An earlier poster challenged us to Google RE the IRA. I did and found this

www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/jeremy-corbyn-says-ira-were-terrorists-1.3091883

I've answered two separate threads today about the anti-semitism. I don't agree with this idea that he has failed to act. His position is clearly against anti-Semitism but he supports Palestine.

To ask why everyone hates Corbyn?
shortsaint · 31/10/2019 22:52

What I do not understand is the LOVE for him a couple of years ago - Woah Jeremy Corbyn chants etc.

Also please explain the anti-Semitic claims.

Somerford · 31/10/2019 22:53

I’m out.

Good, you've added nothing other than asking question after question in the hope that the people you're responding to would get sick of it and stop replying. Picking out single sentences from the middle of big chucks of text to reply to and pretending you haven't seen anything else because legitimate criticisms of Corbyn and valid points were raised. Flounce if you want to but don't imagine that you leave having earned the respect of the people you oppose or persuaded any of us.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 31/10/2019 22:54

So the Tories created an unworkable Brexit referendum for their own party politics but yet it’s all Corbyn’s fault? Yeah right. He’s offered the only fair response to Brexit. He’s pro NHS. He’s going to renationalise the railways ( some of which are owned currently by other companies) and make big tax dodgers pay their fair share into this country but yet he’s bad and Boris is great? And Jo Swinson will end up propping up the Tories, yet again, for a taste of power so if you vote Lib Dem you’ll get a hard Brexit.
I’m starting to think that it is only when British people have really suffered under the Tories - seen loved ones die due to a lack of NHS, seen a rise of food banks and more job and home losses - that they’ll appreciate what Labour have done for them.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 31/10/2019 22:55

Countries - not companies ( sorry)

Paintedmaypole · 31/10/2019 22:55

Everyone does not hate Corbyn and some people most definitely will vote for him. Many people have no respect at all for Johnson. It is hard to predict how things will pan out. The SNP are likely to do well. The Lib dems and Plaid Cymru are also a factor. I think we could be headed for another hung parliament. Anyone calling Corbyn a racist and mysoginist, Johnson can beat him hands down in both those respects. Looking at principles rather than personalities I am hoping for a Labour win.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 31/10/2019 22:56

And anti Semitic does NOT equal anti Zionism. Only the billionaire owned MSM want you to believe that. My Jewish friends are voting Labour.

Tellmetruth4 · 31/10/2019 22:57

He’s more of a doddery uncle but I don’t hate him, his heart’s in the right place and he’s much better than Johnson.

Paintedmaypole · 31/10/2019 22:59

I also think the nuanced response to Brexit is good. The country is split. The referendum vote which IMO should never have happened can't be ignored but many people are strongly opposed to Brexit too.

pachyderm · 31/10/2019 23:01

Good Christ is Corbyn claiming credit for the GFA, that's a new one on me! I'm old and recall, like bellinisurge that he had fuck all to do with it. I'm Irish and always found the British Left's blind support for Sinn Fein/IRA even through their most murderous excesses very troubling (hello The Guardian). Useful idiots is what comes to mind. Corbyn has continued to hobnob with terrorists and while I cannot say if he is really anti-semitic, his blind support of Islamist nutjobs has the same feeling of "my enemy's enemy is my friend" and makes him look really dodgy.

Has anyone mentioned that he seems really thick as well? He has barely any education despite his fortunate start in life and in his ex-wife's memoir she said in three years she never once saw him read a bookConfused

Paintedmaypole · 31/10/2019 23:01

"Doddery"??

Answerthequestion · 31/10/2019 23:02

. My Jewish friends are voting Labour.

Then they’re the only ones who are if that’s true. I don’t know one single Jew who will vote labour.

DonKeyshot · 31/10/2019 23:02

Hahaha. When I see the British people dancing round maypoles in celebration of all that Labour has done for them I'll believe you, Mistelwoe.

Some people have short memories. Most of the ills of this country were caused by Blair and Brown and it'll take a lot longer than the span of their bad governance to put it right.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 31/10/2019 23:03

JC was involved in talks on behalf of Blair’s government. I’m from Hillsborough where the GFA was negotiated.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 31/10/2019 23:03

I used to live in the street behind Mo Mowlam ( bless her).

AuntyElle · 31/10/2019 23:04

Antisemitism:

medium.com/@nicoletalampert/what-is-the-labour-antisemitism-row-about-f2c9022286e

Unforgivable.

Inebriati · 31/10/2019 23:06

''What's the deal with with Jeremy Corbyn? For those who haven't followed the story, here's why so many people, and especially Jews, are concerned about the man who presided over the Labour antisemitism crisis.''
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1169283105821249536.html

pollyputthepastaon · 31/10/2019 23:06

He’s wildly anti women
He is anti Jew
He’s a raving communist.
He wants to bankrupt Britain.

Sunshine93 · 31/10/2019 23:06

What I do not understand is the LOVE for him a couple of years ago - Woah Jeremy Corbyn chants etc

The chanting is still commonplace now. there are a lot of people (including me) who think he is brilliant. I think people are so fed up with the same old politics with the same old politicians and he and his shadow cabinet offer change, real change. It's not all about him though, just as it's not about Boris Johnson. People should make their decisions based on the manifestos. Brexit is one issue but there are many many others most notably the climate.

Please please do research and vote based on actual facts. For JC's perspective a great place to start would be his fab speech today. It can be found on YouTube. Am sure at some point Mr Johnson will make a speech and Jo Swinson etc.

StCharlotte · 31/10/2019 23:06

Whether or not he's a nice chap is irrelevant. He's been utterly ineffective as opposition leader. He's been conspicuous in his absence. His ambiguity over Brexit has been shameful for a man in his position. I still don't know what his or Labour's stance is on that.

I could go on... (and I loathe Johnson equally).

JaniceBattersby · 31/10/2019 23:07

*Because he has failed to address deep-rooted antisemitism In the Labour Party
Because his economic policies (or those of his shadow chancellor) are infantile and lack economic literacy
Because he has allied himself with some very extreme Islamists
Because he can’t commit to a proper position on Brexit one way or the other
Because he lacks the savvy to get elected
Because his henchmen and women are a cabal of secretive control freaks

I would still probably vote for him over Boris

But he is manifestly incapable of being Prime Minister.*

I agree with all of this. I have some admiration for Corbyn as he is a principled man but some of the most important characteristics of a great leader are diplomacy, being a unifying force, mediating between oppositional groups in your own party and inspiring people who might not have previously been on board to follow your organisation. Corbyn, while a good backbench MP, has none of those qualities. You only have to look at the wretched state of the Labour Party to see that. It is entirely split down the middle and Momentum fans seem to hate moderate Labour supporters more than they hate Tories.

The bile spewed from some part of Momentum is far worse than I’ve seen from the far right recently. Some of it was directed at me recently as I publicly criticised something Corbyn did that had a direct effect on my ability to do my job. It was hateful and vicious and totally uncalled for.

I’d never vote Conservative while I have breath left in my body but I’m also going to struggle to vote for Labour for the first time in my life, even though I’m (just about) still a party member. I know countless people who feel the same.

Inebriati · 31/10/2019 23:07

OK so maybe you don't care about The Equality Act, womens rights, anti Semitism, Universal Credit, Brexit or austerity.
Or the fact he didn't vote against Clause 28.

Whats left to like about Jeremy Corbyn?

Somerford · 31/10/2019 23:11

Corbyn and Momentum really ought to accept that there is no appetite for far left politics in this country. Momentum have seized control of the Labour party and until they relinquish it, there will be no viable opposition party. The only question to be settled in December is the margin by which the Tories are the largest party.

Paintedmaypole · 31/10/2019 23:12

Where has anyone seen him being wildly anti women? Where is the evidence for him being a raving communist? Silly to say he wants to bankrupt Britain. The only issue people have given any factual links for is possible anti semitism which I will now look into further. The rest of the criticisms seem to be complete bollocks.