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To ask why everyone hates Corbyn?

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timeaftertime79 · 31/10/2019 21:38

I’d genuinely like to see some facts and reasons as to why Corbyn is so awful that people would choose voting Tory (and people dying) over him.

Genuine reasons that are factual ... I’m wondering what information I seem to be missing that everyone else is seeing?

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LoyaltyBonus · 31/10/2019 21:52

Belinisurge has it. It's not about the Daily Mail, people who are generally leaning, like me, dont read the Daily Mail but will still struggle to vote JC.

SlatternIsTrying · 31/10/2019 21:52

He supported the IRA.

C1u4toff · 31/10/2019 21:52

Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to “show solidarity” with accused terrorists including the Brighton bomber. Corbyn has had a long record of support for the Republican movement. In 2015, it was revealed that from 1986-92 he attended and spoke at the annual Sands/ Connolly commemoration to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

riotlady · 31/10/2019 21:52

He didn’t put enough effort in to really campaigning for Remain when the referendum was happening. He was lacklustre and it’s hard to forgive him for that.

However, as politicians go, I do genuinely believe he’s one of the better ones. He’s got one of the most consistent voting records and has always stood up for what he believes, even when it’s gone against his party. I don’t agree with all of his policies but I’d much rather have someone with that kind of moral centre in charge than anyone else in politics.

VanyaHargreeves · 31/10/2019 21:53

Basically what @AgeLikeWine said plus anti-semitism

Though I still think the mistake goes back to the election of Ed and not David Miliband

To think what we might have been spared if David had been Labour leader/PM

Ylvamoon · 31/10/2019 21:53

He is a man of principles - as I was always told, you can't eat principles or run a country abiding by them.
I also think that most of his political agenda is based on Communist ideas. And we all know what happened back in 1989 / early 1990's.

GlitchStitch · 31/10/2019 21:55

I hate him because he's an anti-Semite, mainly.

LoyaltyBonus · 31/10/2019 21:55

For election purposes, it doesn't actually matter if he's guilty anyway. He's tainted by an apparent support for terrorism and antisemitism and can't be elected so the Labour party need to change their leader.

bellinisurge · 31/10/2019 21:55

Op, I was trying to be polite by assuming you are very young. Otherwise I would have harsher words.
Google the term "useful idiot ". That's the politest thing you can say about him.
Just because Johnson is an utter twat, as is Faridge, doesn't mean you have to fall for the first twat who makes noises that sound nice.

Saddler · 31/10/2019 21:55

Been to IRA funerals, picketed outside IRA court cases, invited 2 convicted IRA bombers to Parliament a few weeks after the Brighton bombing, held minutes silence for the IRA terrorists shot in Gibraltar

Owlsintowels · 31/10/2019 21:56

How do people reconcile the blatant islamophobia from johndon ? Is that somehow less bad than anti semitism?
Genuine question - dare anyone say they care less about Muslims than Jews under the banner of anonymity on the Internet?

The tories have been up to all sorts with current dictators, is that less abhorrent than refusing to condemn the IRA?

I'll try and find links but off the top of my head selling arms to Saudi and Yemen for awful regimes Thatchers friendship with Pol Pot.

Why are Labour slated for the exact same things which conservatives get away with?

And has anyone really looked into the antisemitism stuff? I will admit I haven't much, but both my parents have, and they're pretty intelligent people. It's more complex than the papers lead us to believe, with opposition to Israel's government / policies so tangled with antisemitism

I run the risk of sounding like a fool by posting this without well researched links, but who here can tell me why I'm wrong and why tories being racist and anti Islam is fine, or why it's OK to be buddies with dictators and sell them arms for genocide, but not OK to sympathise with one side of a very complex situation, if he even did that?

VanyaHargreeves · 31/10/2019 21:57

Two wrongs don't make a right

BertrandRussell · 31/10/2019 21:59

“ Too many madness ideas to post. All of them punishing the hard working tax payers in this country. ”

Oh go on, give it a try. Have a look at the last Labour manifesto and pick out a few madness ideas!

Somerford · 31/10/2019 22:00

If you honestly believe that negative coverage in the Daily Mail is the sole reason why Corbyn will fail for a second time, you really aren't worth the time or the effort.

ballsdeep · 31/10/2019 22:00

I'm. Still voting for him. I can't bear the thought of putting a cross next to the tories. I'd rather shit in my hands and clap.

Saddler · 31/10/2019 22:01

@Somerford well said

CendrillonSings · 31/10/2019 22:02

Why are Labour slated for the exact same things which conservatives get away with?

Because frankly the Tories don’t claim to be pious paragons of virtue the way the sanctimonious types in the Labour Party do. When you set that standard for yourself, you deserve to be judged extra harshly when your hypocrisy is exposed.

As Harold Wilson said, “The Labour Party is a moral crusade or it is nothing”.

So, at the moment, it’s nothing!

AgeLikeWine · 31/10/2019 22:02

Nobody is suggesting that tories being racist and anti Islam is fine. Of course it isn’t!

Right-wing Islamophobia and left-wing antisemitism are two sides of the same coin. Both are forms of racism. Both are indefensible and both must be stamped out of mainstream politics.

bellinisurge · 31/10/2019 22:03

@ballsdeep , you don't have to vote Tory ffs.

GlitchStitch · 31/10/2019 22:04

And has anyone really looked into the antisemitism stuff?

Yes and there is plenty of abhorrent stuff that has nothing to do with Israel. Praising Holocaust deniers, writing forwards for books filled with anti-Semitic tropes, wanting the Holocaust memorial Day renamed because it's too focused on the Jews (!).

There is an abundance of evidence out there but Corbyn defenders will deny or deflect, or pretend that it's just legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and anybody with an objection is brainwashed by the media. But they are the ones who sound like they are in a cult.

ballsdeep · 31/10/2019 22:05

@bellini thanks for that insight 😂

Where I live there will only ever by Labour or tory getting in. Labour won by a huge, huge huge majority anyway

BinkySodPlop · 31/10/2019 22:07

He comes across as a good agitator, but poor leader. His shadow cabinet appointments have been questionable - a self-described militant vegan for farming minister? He shows little aptitude for international politics, which as PM, is something you have to do. We all hate BJ and think he's an arse, but he made a lot of allies travelling around as Mayor of London (and presumably through the Old Boys Network), and other leaders will meet with him. JC lets his principles rule him totally, which is great in a Town Council meeting, not so much at the UN.

danadas · 31/10/2019 22:08

Just because people don't support Corbyn doesn't mean they support Johnson/Tories. My MP is currently Labour and I like her and will vote for her (our constituency flips between C&L every so often) but I am not the biggest fan of Corbyn by any stretch. I think he seems weak. That doesn't mean I support anyone else though. If truth be told, I feel a bit lost party wise at the moment - no one really suits me.

thepeopleversuswork · 31/10/2019 22:09

Because he has failed to address deep-rooted antisemitism In the Labour Party
Because his economic policies (or those of his shadow chancellor) are infantile and lack economic literacy
Because he has allied himself with some very extreme Islamists
Because he can’t commit to a proper position on Brexit one way or the other
Because he lacks the savvy to get elected
Because his henchmen and women are a cabal of secretive control freaks

I would still probably vote for him over Boris

But he is manifestly incapable of being Prime Minister.

And no I don’t read the Mail

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timeaftertime79 · 31/10/2019 22:09

Bellini - so it was being kind to assume that everyone that has a different opinion to you MUST be younger? Okayyyy.

I still don’t see any good enough reasons to vote for a party killing people. If anything people could petition for him to be overthrown as leader instead of potentially killing thousands more people by voting Tory?

People are and will carry on dying under their leadership, I don’t know how people can read and see everything that has happened and still think they’re the better option. It genuinely bamboozles me.

As far as I’m concerned the only support he’s has given these people is that they should be listened to. I believe he really does care about everyone.

But as I’ve said above, If I hated him like some of you obviously so I would rather petition to overthrow him than vote for the conservatives.

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