To ask why everyone hates Corbyn?

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I’d genuinely like to see some facts and reasons as to why Corbyn is so awful that people would choose voting Tory (and people dying) over him.

Genuine reasons that are factual ... I’m wondering what information I seem to be missing that everyone else is seeing?

Most people who’ll bleat on about the IRA stuff haven’t got a clue on Anglo-Irish history.

Most people who’ll bleat on about the IRA stuff haven’t got a clue on Anglo-Irish history.

Thats true, you have people thinking that Corbyn was involved in the peace process ffs.

I don't hate Corbyn, but I like the loaded tone of the OP, very typical for Corbyn supporters to do that.

Corbyn is a good campaigner, he offers simplistic soundbites to complex situations that stirs up those who think everything is a simplistic black and white approach, any critism is easily deflected as being right wing smears and MSM.

He is the british version of Trump in regards to speaking to the lowest common detonator, no wonder he has his disciples.

@noblegiraffe spot on about online behaviour from Labour activists. I was a member of several online groups around the time momentum were coming together and saw many openly anti Semitic statements. I did challenge them but this invariably resulted in a "flaming" where multiple people piled on me repeatedly berating me that criticism of Israel is not anti semitism, much as people on this discussion here have done. Well, yeah, I know that which is why I was calling out actual anti semitism.

I've now lost faith in Labour but still remain a member of some groups out of curiosity and they are doing exactly the same as far as I can tell except that now the moderators will sometimes intervene with a "please be careful as we don't want to be accused of anti semitism". Note: not that they want to actually avoid being anti Semitic, just that they don't want to be accused of it. Cynical, bigoted and dishonest. It's not a good look.

I am not a Corbyn supporter. Your username suggests otherwise.

He's kinda cute

What did I just read????!!!!

He's kinda cute

Yeah, that's definitely a gold plated reason for voting Labour

derxa

There was once a pub in Dublin called the Red Rose. For various reasons the owners were forced to change the name and they did so - to the Wed Wose. I thought that was amusing and hence the user name.

I'm not a member of the Labour party, but I understand a number of people who are, are not Corbyn supporters. So even if my user name was evidence of a Labour affiliation (it isn't), it still doesn't mean I'm a Corbyn supporter.

Just irritated hearing ignorant, lazy misinformation being pedalled.

@wedwoses, Martin McGuinness was a senior member of the IRA at least till the mid-70s, and there is evidence that he was involved for a long time thereafter.

Justanotherlurker
I think you may mean "denominator"? Most politicians now speak in "simplistic sound bites", Boris Johnson being a prime example and imo far closer in behaviour, outlook, policy and principle (I use the term loosely) to Trump.

ethelfleda - that is also my experience over the last 50+ years

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman

At the time JC was meeting McGuinness, McG was a senior figure in Sinn Fein, which is a democratic political party.

Please reread my earlier post. All factual and supported by evidence.

Incidentally Arlene Foster still regularly meets with the leaders of the UDA - that's nice and reassuring.

and as I've pointed out there is evidence JC met with leaders of Sinn Fein, not the IRA.

Yeah, yeah, Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA ever. Definitely not pro violence. Definitely not murderers. Just ordinary MPs like any others. Totally fine to shake hands and back them, especially back in the old days when the IRA was actively killing people. Even after an IRA bombing attacking MPs. Nowt to see. Move along people. Switch your brains off and chant Jeremy Jeremy Jeremy you are so principled

I don't hate him but I really don't trust him with the economy. His announcements over recent months and yesterday would cost billions.
I am a reasonably higher earner (though nowhere near 6 figures) yet would likely be in the danger zone for higher taxes. As someone up post mentioned, the land tax would have an impact on me - we are rural so have larger than average garden but couldn't do anything with it to mitigate the cost. Council tax is already over £2.5K per year and would only go up. We get little services for it. London CT are much lower and get better services than we do. Same would happen with land tax, and again London wouldn't get the increases we do due to being closer together.

we are lucky enough at present to have one of us as a SAHP but we would then need my DH to go back to work (in addition to his self employment) , then incur childcare costs etc. Both my children have additional needs so that wouldn't be straightforward either.

i agree that services need to be paid for, we don't receive any benefits at all and that's fine. I am happy to pay my way but that is very different to being screwed over so he that he can fund some of his more extreme ideas.

and as for Brexit, he is delusional if he thinks that the EU will completely renegotiate and it will all be done by June.

@wedwoses that's fine, you close your eyes to all the indications that his involvement with the IRA carried right along.

Arlene Foster: I'm not a fan of the woman, but has she ever been a member of the UDA? Genuine question.

And you imply criticism of her for contact with the UDA, but MM and GA are squeaky clean in your eyes?

Foster's from an RUC family, she's an Orange chair who split from the UUP because it was too moderate so ofc there's no possibility that she's linked to the UDA 😶

Although obviously MM and GA are also dodgy as all fucking get out.

He's Wolfie on a pension.

And thank you to whoever asked if BertrandRussell was Emily Thornberry. That has made my day.

I have been highly disappointed by him. He comes across as totally clueless. He is a hopeless orator, in my opinion; he reads his points and can't debate. He is not at all a credible leader. I honestly had massively high hopes of a strong opposition leader when he came to power - all the "I'm going to bring in a kinder politics, less shouting in parliament" etc etc. That last all of ten minutes.

The thought of him being the PM horrifies me.

He's Wolfie on a pension

Oh yes, isn't he just

@grumpymiddleagedwoman

that's fine, you close your eyes to all the indications that his involvement with the IRA carried right along - your evidence?? the fact you keeping on trotting it out doesn't prove it. If you provide evidence I am happy to acknowledge it, but you haven't.

Sinn Fein and IRA are NOT the same.

In addition telling people "put down your guns and negotiate...work through the ballot box and then we will sit down with you" and then, when some of them do, continuing to say any previous affiliations negate the possibility of discussion in good faith for the greater good and in the interests of achieving peace is just stupid, backward, damaging and self-defeating.

That is probably why a very great number of people DID in fact sit down with the IRA and it's on public record now - but it appears they had to lie about it repeatedly over many, many years because the pearl clutching general public on the mainland couldn't take it. "We don't negotiate with terrorists".

To quote Boris Johnson >>> "Humbug!"

Heath government negotiated with Gerry Adams in London in 1972
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2601875.stmm_

Margaret Thatcher 'negotiated with IRA' in 1981
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-163664133_

Thatcher gave approval in 1990 to talks with IRA
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/16/northernireland.thatcher?CMP=ShareiOSAppOtherr_

Arlene Foster: I'm not a fan of the woman, but has she ever been a member of the UDA? Genuine question. - no idea. But it is a fact she regularly meets with senior members of the UDA and if you are perturbed by the fact that historically JC or anyone else may have met with members of the IRA then I would have thought that would concern you too. Unless you're a hypocrite.

And you imply criticism of her for contact with the UDA, but MM and GA are squeaky clean in your eyes? Not at all. None of us is "squeaky clean"

You want random mumsnetters to gather the evidence for you that the Sinn Fein and the IRA leadership had overlap during the Troubles because you don't believe it.

Tell you what, go to a reliable non Daily Mail source, ooh, say, The Economist, type in Gerry Adam or Sinn Fein or IRA into their search. Read the articles.

He's not an anti Semite! Ffs. He's spent his whole life fighting injustice.
It doesn't make someone an anti-Semite just because they criticise the state of Israel.

Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA ever - I have not said that nor that they were not pro violence (which is an interesting point - are people who support the armed forces "pro violence" - just asking) or that they were not murderers - possibly they were but if so somebody seriously dropped the ball there as neither of them were ever found guilty of murder.

"Totally fine to shake hands" - debateable

"and back them" - where is your proof, your evidence that JC backed them?? where??

I am not a supporter of JC but when it comes to people switching their brains off, you really need to switch yours on.

"Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams had nothing to do with the IRA ever "
Funniest load of old bollocks I have read all day. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

"Wolfie on a pension "

Absolutely fucking brilliant!

I like him!