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To ask why everyone hates Corbyn?

351 replies

timeaftertime79 · 31/10/2019 21:38

I’d genuinely like to see some facts and reasons as to why Corbyn is so awful that people would choose voting Tory (and people dying) over him.

Genuine reasons that are factual ... I’m wondering what information I seem to be missing that everyone else is seeing?

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BertrandRussell · 01/11/2019 08:23

“ Do you feel as strongly about Iran, France, Saudi, USA, China, the UK, etc etc?”
Yes. And interestingly, nobody calls me Islamophobic if I criticise the treatment of the Marsh Arabs.

BertrandRussell · 01/11/2019 08:25

“ He has had to learn to pay lip service to respect, remember the issues over the National Anthem and poppy wearing?”
No?

BumbleNova · 01/11/2019 08:26

I don't hate him - I just think he is stubborn and not very bright. Terrible qualities in a leader.

His views to me just sound so outdated. He is still fighting the battles of the eighties.

He has been the least effective opposition I can remember. The Tories really really needed someone to call them out on their inhumane policies and he has let the country down.

derxa · 01/11/2019 08:29

Bertrand Are you Emily Thornberry?

PickUpThePieces · 01/11/2019 08:31

The only good news about this thread is that if Bertrands posting on it, it means there isn’t a thread on Meghan Markle.

WineIsMyCarb · 01/11/2019 08:31

That's as maybe @FishCanFly and @BertrandRussell. Congrats on being consistent.

However, would you support a government which had a stated aim of destroying those countries wholesale?

Say, for example, a political party on this country wanted to irradicate Iran, and at the same time, effecticely murder all Persians. As a primary political aim. Above most everything else. Would you vote for them, and would you think it ethical to vote for them? Would you be comfortable calling them your friends?

It's difficult to draw comparisons, but that's as close as I can get for the sake of argument.

StreetwiseHercules · 01/11/2019 08:32

“ Ah, the same media that is controlled by Jews @StreetwiseHercules. We hear you loud and clear. ”

I don’t think that at all. Isn’t the trope that Jews supposedly control global finance? Or were you just trying to smear me because you don’t like what I said?

GOODCAT · 01/11/2019 08:36

Hate is the wrong word. He is too far to the left. If we had a more centrist labour party with a clear brexit policy, labour would win.

I wanted to stay in the EU the thought of the far left trying to deal with the economic fallout of leaving is awful. The environment and economy are the main things for me and I want a centrist party for that.

BellsaRinging · 01/11/2019 08:37

I dont hate him. I just think, I guess, what's so special about him. At the end of the day he's just another privileged white man wanting power. I think Labour can do better. He's no experience of world beyond politics. And yes he's an anti semite, in my opinion.

bellinisurge · 01/11/2019 08:38

"I'm against nuclear weapons but i think Saudis should be nuked. "
Darwin prize on that ridiculous comment

VolcanionSteamArtillery · 01/11/2019 08:50

Jeremy Corbyn's attitude to private property is scary. Its likely to exacerbate the housing situation and less people will be prepared to rent out their property long term. We've already tried it once with social housing, it was a complete disaster of a policy.

His hypocrisy is breaktaking. I will negotiate with terrorists but not with Theresa May... He came in as a good honest principled man of the people, no one of those awful two faced career politicians. Exceptions he is so obviously a Eurosceptic but because his party has now decided its pro Euro, he has now totally vault faced...

His defence stategy is dangerous. Unless we develop defence against nuclear weapons first.

First time in years i will actually vote.

StreetwiseHercules · 01/11/2019 08:52

“ “ Do you feel as strongly about Iran, France, Saudi, USA, China, the UK, etc etc?””

I certainly feel even more strongly about China, Iran and Saudi Arabia. I consider the Wahhabist House of Saud to be, by a distance, the most evil regime on the face of the Earth.

Skinnychip · 01/11/2019 09:03

The thing is, we as the electorate don't specifically vote for JC , unless he is your own contitiuency's MP. I live in a staunch conservative area and people would vote for a donkey with a blue rosette. I voted labour at the last election because i thought the candidate was the strongest and most engaged with the local community....but still don't want JC as PM

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 01/11/2019 09:09

@StreetwiseHercules
Isn't the trope that Jews supposedly control global finance?
It's also a trope that 'they' control the media.
Do keep up.

Lockshunkugel · 01/11/2019 09:15

Corbyn refused to meet Donald Trump when he came to the UK. I know Trump is unpopular with many, but he is the president of the USA, the leader of the free world and his country has the biggest global economy. We all have to deal with people we don’t like at work, it’s part of being an adult. As leader of the opposition, he should have just gritted his teeth and got on with what he is paid to do. I know those who defend him will say he stuck to his principles but I think he made himself look stupid.

Corbyn isn’t suitable to be PM because he has no statesmanship skills and no diplomacy. He will be a threat to our national security by damaging our relationship with the US and cutting ties with various other countries. Corbyn isn’t just inept, I think he would be very dangerous if he ran the country.

Hingeandbracket · 01/11/2019 09:23

I don't hate Jeremy Corbyn. He's an old curmudgeon who sticks to his beliefs
Except about the EU

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/11/2019 09:23

Jeremy Corbyn belongs on the back benches, as a fervent, principled, campaigning socialist and a great constituency MP who knows his own mind and doesn’t compromise. He never intended to be leader and it is frankly a bit crazy to imagine him as the leader of a national political party. I don’t hate him but I wish he would stand down in favour of someone else who is better able to represent all sides, including the moderate left. He will lose votes because of this and usher in 5 years of Boris Johnson. This is unforgivable.

nestisflown · 01/11/2019 09:30

I don't dislike him. I'd go as far as to say I even quite like his idealistic policies. BUT he's not leader material as he's put the Labour party in the worst position they've been in years when they should be in the strongest given how weak the Tory party are at the moment.

I also partially blame him for the brexit vote. Most majority leave constituencies are in Labour strongholds, and I don't think it's a coincidence that at the time of the referendum Labour were sending confusing messages about which side to support since Corbyn is historically a Leave supporter. That's unforgivable to me.

VolcanionSteamArtillery · 01/11/2019 09:34

StreetwiseHercules

Israel isn't signed up to the origin act that was designed to stop/limit the existance of nuclear weapons in the aftermath of the cold war. Its not against international law to have them as it hasn't passed yet.

here

We're happy to call Israel "a rogue terror state" and yet also say antisemitism isn't on the rise....

Thw holocaust was enabled because antisemitism was socially acceptable

Shoxfordian · 01/11/2019 09:35

I don't like anti semitism, simple

ssd · 01/11/2019 09:41

I don't hate him. I think he talks a lot if sense. I don't think he's anti semitic either.
But the tory party are determined to make him out yo he a monster as he's against austerity and wants working class people to have rights. This doesn't fit the tories agenda so he's made out to be a monster. Why are they so scared of him, you have to ask yourself??

Are you a regular poster op, or did you join recently to rubbish Corbyn?

jcurve · 01/11/2019 09:48

Jeremy Corbyn belongs on the back benches, as a fervent, principled, campaigning socialist and a great constituency MP who knows his own mind and doesn’t compromise.

He’s not a great constituency MP. He’s actually totally shit and invisible. Longest wait list for social housing in the country, high levels of gang violence and more recently almost epidemic levels of open drug dealing and use on the streets.

joyfullittlehippo · 01/11/2019 09:48

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StreetwiseHercules · 01/11/2019 09:56

“ Israel isn't signed up to the origin act that was designed to stop/limit the existance of nuclear weapons in the aftermath of the cold war. Its not against international law to have them as it hasn't passed yet.”

That is the Nuclear Weapons Ban Treaty, not the pre existing non-proliferation treaty. Israel is one of few outliers from this global convention and it developed its weapons programme in secret, refused inspections, refused the IAEA and when it did finally allow inspections it created a system of rigs and tricks to defy the inspections.

If any other country did this, especially in the Middle East, it would have been invaded.

“
We're happy to call Israel "a rogue terror state" and yet also say antisemitism isn't on the rise...

These aspects are not in any way mutually exclusive. Although I did not say that anti-semitism isn’t on the rise. I believe it is.