To ask why everyone hates Corbyn?

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I’d genuinely like to see some facts and reasons as to why Corbyn is so awful that people would choose voting Tory (and people dying) over him.

Genuine reasons that are factual ... I’m wondering what information I seem to be missing that everyone else is seeing?

People don’t dislike him because they read the Mail. What a daft thing to say. I have my own views thank you. I came from a strongly Labour voting family in London. My Father was active in the unions and has some strong views about companies and they way they treat workers but surely these ideas Corbyn has aren’t brilliant. They are unworkable as per my PP.

I went the complete opposite over the years. Did ok, and sent my children to private school. I also own my own house. Do you hate me for achieving this?

“ I went the complete opposite over the years. Did ok, and sent my children to private school. I also own my own house. Do you hate me for achieving this?”

Why would I hate you? I might find it rather distasteful if you don’t want to give anything back or want to help those lest fortunate than you are, but I wouldn’t hate you for it...

His third wife is twenty years younger than him.
Is that a bad thing? He's kinda cute 😀

He’s popular enough among my friends who tend to be well educated, mostly well paid and left leaning. He’s not perfect but at least Labour have put forward socialist policies under his leadership.

If a man comes from a working class background, goes to a struggling comprehensive, comes out with 2 E's at A Level then struggles his way to the top of the Labour party I'll respect him.

I a man comes from a comfortably middle class family, goes to a paid grammar school, leaves with 2 E's at A Level then gets into the Labour party because his parents are high ranked activists, I see little to respect.

I like Labour party policies, but I don't think anyone who is either too lazy, stupid or stubborn to get decent grades at a grammar school will be capable of delivering them. Plus the stink of nepotism puts me off.

I don't hate the man, but I don't want him in charge of the country.

I decided to look into the Labour anti-semitism thing last February, but instead of reading newspaper articles (don’t believe everything you read in the MSM I was told) I headed to twitter and looked for myself.

Fucking hell it was awful. Even just reading a bit of it over a few days put me in quite a dark mood - and I’m not Jewish. Definitely not just ‘anti-Zionism being confused with antisemitism’ there was proper holocaust-denial and Jewish conspiracy theories being casually thrown around.

The obvious reply would be that there’s no proof that these accounts were Labour and that’s certainly true for some of it. But I listened to the chair of the CLP who proposed the no-confidence vote in Luciana Berger spouting Jewish conspiracy theories on an anti-Semitic radio show. Oh but that’s ok because he’s Jewish and a member of Jewish Voice for Labour.

Then I looked deeper into Jewish Voice for Labour and found that sort of behaviour is not unusual. Now whenever anyone holds them up as a reason to think that there isn’t an issue with antisemitism in the Labour Party, I think they need to be aware that they are part of the problem.

I saw the Young Labour official twitter account deliberately goading Jews.

And I got to know the names of a few key players so when I kept an eye on the news later on, news that might seem unremarkable to the casual reader had more meaning.

While on twitter I had read a ‘news’ website that was antisemitic but posing as anti-Zionist. It was grim. The author was later outed as a Labour member who was then (rightly) expelled from the party. Jewish Voice for Labour and others were all over twitter crying about how outrageous this was.

Chris Williamson was reinstated to the Labour Party (a decision so bizarre it was then overruled). And you just think ‘if there was any desire to look like you’re dealing with the antisemitism issue, how would that be allowed to happen?’

And the conclusion is that actually, Corbyn doesn’t give a shit. Then you read about his own actions and yeah, if he’s not actually anti-Semitic himself, he sure does a bad job of demonstrating that.

The guy who wouldn’t share a platform with David Cameron has not hesitated to share a platform with anti-semitism.

What do you think @BertrandRussell and @FishCanFly - how does the comparison sit with you, as a close-as-likely-reasonable equivalent?

@WineIsMyCarb
I only think that out of present politicians, he's the most likeable. Maybe he has no sense, but i trust that he won't shit on EU citizens.

@noblegiraffe, I looked in different places from you, that referred me to some of the things you found, and came to the same conclusions.

It's easy to say, 'Oh, don't believe the MSM'. But equally, don't swallow the bullshit peddled by Momentum.

He seems like a nice man, principled and would be a good local MP. But... generally a bit weak and ineffectual, some ridiculous policies.
I was never going to vote Labour anyway, but now I definitely wouldn't.
Boris is a complete twat too..
Lib dems it is!

A Labour government will reform the Gender Recognition Act and the Equality Act 2010 to ensure they protect Trans people by changing the protected characteristic of ‘gender assignment’ to ‘gender identity’ and remove other outdated language such as ‘transsexual’.

This, from the last manifesto, is one of my main reasons for not voting Labour, or liking Corbyn. The denial this will negatively impact women is unforgiveable. The lack of thought, care, or acknowledgement that women need some spaces to be sex segregated, not 'gender' segregated, is diabolical. Allowing a man to 'identify' as woman, with no need for pyschological assessment, no steps towards any kind of transition, is pure madness.

That is not to say I like Johnson or would vote Tory either. I am in a political no mans land to be honest. I think they are all a shower of shite and have failed women with this bullshit ideaology.

I support Labour, only read DM when there is a link from MN's Women's Right thread and I don't hate Corbyn. However, I have the following issues with him: He says he is for a second referendum when he is behind in the polls and against when he is ahead. He chose men for the 5 top posts in his shadow cabinet even though there were women who were better suited, He is pro Brexit. He is anti Semitic. He appears to be an old fuddy duddy who doesn't understand the modern world. Under his leadership TWs have been hired to do women's job in Labour. He is pro Iran. His minions have been bullying people within Labour who disagrees with him and his claim to be unaware of this has made him seem very Machiavellian.

@WineIsMyCarb- sorry, I missed your earlier post- I’ll respond in a bit.

@Bertrand - easily done, it's a busy thread

He chose men for the 5 top posts in his shadow cabinet even though there were women who were better suited,
At his launch statement for the election (not his speech yesterday), he stood in front of his Shadow Cabinet. It was a bit unfortunate because he completely obscured the women standing at the front. All you could see was Corbyn and a semi circle of pale, male and stale people.

I am not a Corbyn supporter. However a few facts re his "support of the IRA" would not go amiss.

He met with Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams. They are/were not the IRA, they were leaders of the democratic political party Sinn Féin. He did this in the course of promoting a peaceful solution to the conflict, and so in fact did many others (although they weren't always so open about it - see below).

Corbyn also met plenty of loyalists in his campaign for peace, including Gary McMichael and David Ervine, and he also spoke regularly with Ian Paisley.

During the 2017 election campaign he clearly condemned the IRA bombings, he said "I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA". That is pretty clear.

Before anybody jumps on him for condemning both "sides", this is quite relevant and imo he was right to do so as, some of you may be surprised to hear, loyalist terrorists actually killed more people during the Troubles than the IRA.

And before anyone says "yeah but he had to say that, he was Labour leader by then..." etc etc, way back in 1994, when the Labour leadership was just a twinkle in his eye, Corbyn signed a parliamentary motion on the 20th anniversary of the IRA pub bombing in Birmingham which described the attack as a deplorable terrorist atrocity. It’s on the parliamentary record for all to see.

Finally (for now), declassified records show that Margaret Thatcher was secretly negotiating DIRECT with the IRA. However she outright lied about this to the UK public every time she repeated her "we do not negotiate with terrorists" mantra.

I am now going to read through all t other stuff that makes people dubious about him.

I’d rather have trump as prime minister then Corbyn.

Vote Tory and that’s exactly what you’ll get.

Vote Tory and that’s exactly what you’ll get.

Vote Labour and Chavez is what you’ll get!

Anyone who votes for a party leader rather than their local constitutent is an idiot. Look at your local councillors and pick the one that is going to be best for your area, regardless of party

Anyone who votes for a party leader rather than their local constitutent is an idiot.

Er, no. The PM dictates what legislation is passed in Parliament, and has personal control of our nuclear weapons. Only an idiot would ignore the question of who the leader of the country will be when voting in a General Election.

in relation to IRA negotiations, it's one thing for the PM to take a view that the country needs to negotiate through some sort of channel with a terrorist group. it's quite another thing for the LOTO, who has no responsibility for keeping people, safe, to attend some sort of solidarity event with them. For all I know, for example, the current govt keeps a channel open to ISIS in order to discuss, for example, returning Britons. This doesn't give Corbyn the excuse to meet whoever its new leader is....

Great post noblegiraffe.

He's weak and ineffectual. He'd be a disaster for the country with his unrealistic policies. And as for his stance on brexit, does anybody actually know what that is?

I'd vote Labour if they had a different, better leader, and I suspect there are quite a number of voters who feel the same.

As it is I think it's going to have to be Libdems for me, although if I'm honest I suspect that that's going to be a wasted vote.

Whatever happens, I suspect we're going to end up with a hung parliament.

@Tessabelle74. Nobody is voting for local councillors in a general elections, that happens in local council elections.

In a general election we're voting for our MPs and whichever party gets the most votes under our very flawed system will be the party that puts in their leader as the prime minister.

So when we vote in a general elections we are in fact voting for whoever we want to be PM.

samg76

in relation to IRA negotiations, it's one thing for the PM to take a view that the country needs to negotiate through some sort of channel with a terrorist group - even when repeatedly categorically denying it?

and as I've pointed out there is evidence JC met with leaders of Sinn Fein, not the IRA.

it's quite another thing for the LOTO, who has no responsibility for keeping people, safe, to attend some sort of solidarity event with them - evidence? date? who exactly do you think he met?

For all I know, for example, the current govt keeps a channel open to ISIS in order to discuss, for example, returning Britons. This doesn't give Corbyn the excuse to meet whoever its new leader is.... irrelevant to this discussion