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To ask why everyone hates Corbyn?

351 replies

timeaftertime79 · 31/10/2019 21:38

I’d genuinely like to see some facts and reasons as to why Corbyn is so awful that people would choose voting Tory (and people dying) over him.

Genuine reasons that are factual ... I’m wondering what information I seem to be missing that everyone else is seeing?

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BertrandRussell · 01/11/2019 09:59

I don’t think he is popular, is he? My issue is people using him as anti Labour propaganda.

SandraOhshair · 01/11/2019 10:07

Hes a communist wrapped up in an old feeble mans suit. Very, very old labour.

Micheal Foot was more dynamic.

Not who I want to lead my country.

joyfullittlehippo · 01/11/2019 10:08

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BertrandRussell · 01/11/2019 10:13

He’s neither an old,feeble man nor a communist.
He’s a Socialist.

mrsmuddlepies · 01/11/2019 10:16

He didn't vote for me. State school comp teacher, and sent his sons to grammar school. His third wife is twenty years younger than him.
He belongs to the group of Labour politicians whose mantra is "Don't do as I do, do as I say".
I find little to admire in him. There are a lot of Labour politicians I really admire (Hilary Benn for example) and their sincerity and determination to make the UK a fairer place, shines out of their actions and words. Not Jeremy Corbyn though.

SandraOhshair · 01/11/2019 10:18

Go back far enough and you can see he is.

Everanewbie · 01/11/2019 10:19

I don't hate him at all. I fundamentally disagree with him on a number of issues and dislike his brexit flip-flopping game-playing and lack of a clear position to try to benefit from a lack conservative cohesion. I don't like his naive view of the world re: Islamic terrorism, Russia and Salisbury, and the naivety towards the antisemitism within his own party.

I actually quite like him, but I don't want him to be running the country.

Armi · 01/11/2019 10:39

I dislike him. I’ve been a member of the Labour Party and have always voted Labour but not since he became leader, for many reasons, not least because I don’t want the country to be run by someone who wants to drag everyone down instead of helping people to aspire to improve their education and prospects. He’s a fully paid up member of the awkward squad - when I came into teaching many years ago I came across many union reps with a similar outlook and knee-jerk response to everything and it gets my back up. He’s weirdly simplistic - all this stuff yesterday about how homelessness will be sorted on Day One by just commandeering property to house people in. That’s not really how things work. And what’s with all the patronising language - ‘bad bosses’ and ‘big polluters’ - and the divisive and simplistic ‘Whose side are you on?’ implying that there are no grey areas in political thought. It’s the same stunted mental process that leads to Corbyn supporters immediately trying to shut down discussion by telling someone they are a Daily Mail reader whenever they raise concerns about him.

I strongly believe that the really rich should pay more tax, that public services should be financed so they can actually serve the public, that people who have fallen on hard times should have access to all manner of benefits needed to get them back on their feet, that opportunities should be available to all through an excellent, supportive education system. But I don’t think Corbyn has the required leadership qualities to run the country. This doesn’t make me a Daily Mail reader, it makes me a sensible and rational person.

CornishMaid1 · 01/11/2019 10:43

There are a lot of policies of Labour that I do not like. It is not a hating of him personally (I have never met the bloke) but the way the party is and I think a more central-left leader would make the party more appealing (and have less extreme policies).

Looking at policies:-

Getting rid of private schools and 'redistributing' - there would need to be mass spending to create the school places to cover those children suddenly being publicly funded and taking property from private companies/charities to 'redistribute' is communist.

Privatising public services - a nice idea but would cost the country too much money.

Garden tax instead of Council tax - would massively penalise a lot of people by massively increasing Council tax for anyone who does not live in a big city (no gardens in city flats) but people would not be able to get rid of part of a back garden to try to help themselves.

Lifetime tax instead of Inheritance Tax - may be trying to increase tax on the wealthy, but part of the reason IHT was increased was to try to help parents pass houses on to children without having to sell for tax to get people onto the housing ladder, whereas dropping to about £125k as he though would stop that happening. It would also stop the incentive of working hard and saving if you can get help from the government and have to give any money back anyway.

Taxing businesses more - yes that sounds great (and some should have loopholes closed to pay better tax) but this has to be properly balanced as taxing business too heavily could affect the business leading to job losses and wealthy people will move the money/move themselves offshore to cut the tax.

The people most likely to be affected by the Labour tax are not the wealthy (who can find ways around it) but the middle earners as they will be easier to take tax from and redistribute, so you will just end up with more poorer and the wealthy still sorting themselves out.

BertrandRussell · 01/11/2019 10:43

Yes, the more threads saying how incredibly dangerous he is, while simultaneously being completely ineffective, the better the Tories like it.
It is, to use an expression beloved of our European friends, eine shitshow.

Anynamewilldo2 · 01/11/2019 10:45

On camera, laying a wreath at the graves of the Munich terrorists. That's a fucking big clue as to what he thinks of Jews. I don't need more evidence than that alone although there is plenty.

I live in Prestwich in one of the biggest Jewish communities in England. And I'm Jewish. My parents (born and bred in England) have emigrated due to anti semitism. And one by one my siblings have followed them, the last going only months ago. I'm the last member of my family left behind and I'm under a lot of pressure to move because my family are genuinely scared for me if corbyn gets in. My family are not the only ones who think like this.

We are in 2019 and Jews are talking about moving country because of fear. And some are uprooting their families and going. I grew up hearing stories about how my great great grandparents moved from Germany just before the holocaust because they saw the writing on the wall. 2 daughters remained behind - and were wiped out. I am scared of history repeating itself.

CallmeAngelina · 01/11/2019 10:51

People are and will carry on dying under their leadership
Well, that sort of emotive nonsense is not helping your cause. What do you even mean by it? I have news for you: people die all the time, for many reasons, regardless of who's in Government.

CallmeAngelina · 01/11/2019 10:53

a) I don't like his politics (would say policies, except that he hasn't told anyone exactly what they are).
b) I don't like him and how he comes across as sneering and patronising to anyone who interviews him, and therefore directly to me in my sitting room.
c) I don't read the Daily Mail.
d) I've no idea who to fucking vote for. I wish I could vote Labour, but absolutely NO WAY with him in charge.

BertrandRussell · 01/11/2019 10:54

“ a) I don't like his politics (would say policies, except that he hasn't told anyone exactly what they are).”

None of the parties have published their manifestos yet.

CallmeAngelina · 01/11/2019 10:56

No, Bertrand, but what is his stance on Brexit, for example? Other than to slag off the Tories for not pushing it through? When he is part of the movement blocking it?

Sleepyhead19 · 01/11/2019 10:57

He seems to always support terrorist groups, or supporting individuals/members in some way. We know about the IRA as it has been well publicised. I don’t think rocking up to terrorist funerals is the one to be fair.
There are other groups though. A little research shows this. Look into the Islamist terror groups. His name will soon pop up. He also wants dangerous terrorists to return to the UK. He would be putting lives at risk.
I strongly disagree with his views on the army, wanting to scrap it. We have little defence as it is. Where would we be without the forces? They don’t only fight wars, they run the fire service when staff are on strike, they save people from floods and Keep us safe.
He is actually a leaver, although most think he is remain. He just wants a very good deal before we go (if ever). He constantly talks about wanting to stay in but this is very deceptive.
He is undemocratic. He is childish in many of his views. He is losing the Labour Party votes by refusing to step down despite nobody in the party liking him. He would be an awful pm.
I used to vote labour in every election but I will never vote for them with that nutcase as leader.
I don’t know who to vote for this time but I most certainly know who I will not vote for.

joyfullittlehippo · 01/11/2019 10:59

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sunglasses123 · 01/11/2019 10:59

I really really dislike Corbyn and his silly idealistic ideas with no thought to the consequences, storming into vacant properties and taking them for the homeless. So, One Hyde Park apartment block opposite Harrodsburg in Knightsbridge where 50% of flats are unoccupied most of the time will be broken into and the people on the council waiting list will be moved in? Really??

Breaking up the private school system, how is that going to work? IRT - well all that is going to happen is that I will spend everything I can. How on earth can Corbyn track what I have given to my children? Take always, paying for them to go on holiday with us, Xmas presents, birthday treats. How would it be calculated?

And remember that if I don’t have any money when I become old and grey and need some some care.....who will be funding it. It won’t be me..

My DF is in a care home and is self funding to the tune of £5.5k per month. He was always careful with money and has enough I believe to see him through to the end but come on.... these ideas from Commrade Corbyn are completely bonkers

CendrillonSings · 01/11/2019 11:02

Yes, the more threads saying how incredibly dangerous he is, while simultaneously being completely ineffective, the better the Tories like it.
It is, to use an expression beloved of our European friends, eine shitshow.

I know, how dare people not hold their tongues and just shut up when the topic of Corbyn The Great Leader comes up, right?

Sorry, we still live in a free country, and that freedom includes the right to expose Corbyn for the utter disaster he is.

Lougle · 01/11/2019 11:06

"Today 00:24DarkDarkNight

Someone will lose, just not the someone he cares about and who do you think will lose under a Boris Johnson government?"

I'm probably one of the people who would 'win' under a Corbyn government, but my point was that it is naive at best to think that 'everyone' will win. So I don't think it's great that a campaign is being built on that premise.

Tbh, I'd rather vote for a Government which was both fair and honest, but I haven't seen one yet, sadly. There are no good choices for election day.

Whattodoabout · 01/11/2019 11:07

He has nice ideas but they almost definitely wouldn’t materialise. I don’t think he could renationalise pretty much everything during a five year term nor would he get the abolition of private schools through parliament. He’s an idealist basically, the ideas are fantastic on paper but almost definitely wouldn’t come to fruition.

People dislike him because they read The daily fail and the sun so think he is a terrorist sympathiser, an anti Semite and a commie.

samG76 · 01/11/2019 11:10

I'd just like to endorse what Anyname says. DH is alive because his grandparents made the right decision in 30's Germany, and we don't want to caught out again. Loads have emigrated from our community already, and many of those who haven't, like us, are keeping a close eye on things so that we can leave at very short notice. This is the reality on the ground, not the friends "of Jewish heritage" people have who are apparently avid corbynistas.

Bartlet · 01/11/2019 11:11

The thing is that you can feel that he is an ineffective leader (his ability to lead and be a statesmanesque) whilst simultaneously thinking that what he wants to do is destructive and harming to the country.

He is a good and necessary awkward backbencher holding his party to account. He would be a terrible leader and many many people feel the same and will never vote for him. I’m your stereotypical floating voter who Labour need to attract. The only people like me who are voting labour are doing to reluctantly to prevent BoJo. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

potatopotato12 · 01/11/2019 11:11

People aren't dying because of any political party. The right are blamed for everything. It's all everyone else's fault in the UK at the moment and that is poisonous.

Jeremy Corbyn acts all high and mighty but he's not.

TowelNumber42 · 01/11/2019 11:15

Yes, the more threads saying how incredibly dangerous he is, while simultaneously being completely ineffective, the better the Tories like it.
A completely ineffective leader is incredibly dangerous.

Any person who has ever been in any organised group knows that a useless leader is a disaster.

He's so useless I have no idea what would actually happen if Labour got into power. I can see that the things he says he wants to do are unaffordable and/or impractical. I have no idea how that would get resolved given he is so ineffective. I can't vote for that.

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