Scottish Indyref 2

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I think it’s inevitable now and only a matter of when not if!
When will it happen and will it be a yes? What are your predictions?

Streetwise, you may find a border is a requirement of Europe membership. YOu May also find that SChengen is not an unmitigated success. Scotland has not had the immigration which England has experienced. People’s attitude to major immigration may change once they actually have experience of it.

EU membership, not Europe.

Why any Scot would want to remain part of a union that has no respect for them has always puzzled me. You only have to look at how the commons treats Scottish mp’s to see it. Sit down, go home, and shut your mouth is only some of the comments levelled at the SNP in the last couple of weeks

“ Streetwise, you may find a border is a requirement of Europe membership.“

I’m not bothered whether there are border restrictions at Gretna or not, but if there isn’t going to be a hard border between NI and the Republic and there isn’t one between Sweden and Norway, not Switzerland and it’s surrounding EU countries, then I’m sure a suitable arrangement can be made between Scotland and the Residual UK.

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Why any Scot would want to remain part of a union that has no respect for them has always puzzled me.”

The older generation and younger people to lesser degrees have been conditioned all their lives to believe Scotland is small (it isn’t, it is medium sized) and lesser in many ways.

When the Scottish Parliament opened there was difficulty between Labour in Holyrood and Scottish Labour in Westminster because Westminster was viewed as the “big leagues” and Holyrood parochial.

Scotland has grown in confidence though, largely thanks to the Parliament and change is constant.

People’s attitude to major immigration may change once they actually have experience of it

This. Times a million.

Should say I have a lot of friends in Scotland who are seeing this election as the beginnings of a campaign for an indyref.

Hang on, are you saying the one that's been going on since 19th Sept 2014 finished at some point?!

How has Westminster treated Scottish MPs? To name but a few who were treated extremely well- Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling, Sir Vince Cable, John Read, Menzies Campbell, Robin Cook.

My point is if you treat people with respect you get respect back. Neither Angus Robertson or Ian Blackford have covered themselves in glory and have behaved downright shamefully in many instances. Blackford is my local MP and I can honestly say he is a pig of a man and that comes from personal experience.

"Would Scots move south of the border then if there was independence."

If there was another IndyRef, dh and I would think very seriously about moving back to England - the last one was so bitter and divisive that I don't think I could live through another one. I was opposed to independence in 2014, but unless I was 100% sure of the people I was talking to, I couldn't be open about this because some if the pro-independence campaigners were so vitriolic against those of us who were pro-union. I would not have worn a Better Together badge out in public for fear of verbal attack, nor would I have dared put a poster in the window or a sticker in the car, because of the risk of the windows being smashed - it honestly felt that unsafe to be a No voter.

I don't have the best mental health - I suffer from depression and anxiety - and the IndyRef campaign had a terrible impact on my mental health, to the extent that, by the end, I couldn't watch any of the news coverage or debates because they made me feel so dreadful.

Added to that, neither dh or I think that an independent Scotland will work financially, and we would have to think long and hard about whether our finances would work in an independent Scotland. They might, if he's taken his retirement by then, but it would be a major factor for us.

If another referendum is granted by Westminster, we will have to weigh things up very carefully, and if we do decide we can stay in Scotland if it is independent, I think I will be avoiding all news media for the whole of the campaign - and I still think the worry will make me more depressed.

Why any Scot would want to remain part of a union that has no respect for them has always puzzled me. You only have to look at how the commons treats Scottish mp’s to see it. Sit down, go home, and shut your mouth is only some of the comments levelled at the SNP in the last couple of weeks

This is straight from the SNP playbook. I don't feel we are part of a union that has no respect for us at all, despite SNP attempts to convince us we're so hard done by.

And the SNP MPs in the House of Commons are the ones being told to be quiet (when they have been going on relentlessly, repeating the same nonsense over and over), not 'Scotland'.

The major drawback to Scexit negotiations would be the UK politicians who'd have to be negotiated with.

That's not a good reason to stay in an abusive relationship with them, tho.

*How has Westminster treated Scottish MPs? To name but a few who were treated extremely well- Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling, Sir Vince Cable, John Read, Menzies Campbell, Robin Cook.

My point is if you treat people with respect you get respect back. Neither Angus Robertson or Ian Blackford have covered themselves in glory and have behaved downright shamefully in many instances. Blackford is my local MP and I can honestly say he is a pig of a man and that comes from personal experience.*

Exactly this. Go down to Westminster, behave like an idiot, rile everyone up making demands and wild accusations then complain when people get a bit fed up with up you.

Go to Westminster, such up to the establishment and don’t rock the boat and you will be treated very nicely, like the vermin in ermine referenced above.

That’s not what MPs are supposed to be doing though. They are there to represent their parties and their constituencies and to try to enact what they can from THEIR manifestos.

Scottish MPs and the Scottish Governement proposed all manner of constructive compromises re Brexit. They have been sneered at and completely ignored. It is OK for that dissatisfaction to be expressed in Parliament, and in the strongest possible terms.

all the polls are showing a majority for yes. What will you all do if it’s a yes?

Would you care to link to a poll which shows that? I've just googled and found this from the Scotsman on 17 September:

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-independence-poll-majority-of-scots-will-vote-remain-in-the-uk-1-5005983

Sturgeon isn't going to call for a referendum until she is 100% sure of success and current polls show it's too close to call. Plus, of course, she needs approval from Westminster.

Joanna Cherry is fab, as is Kirsty Blackman. FWIW, I think it will be close, but I think independence will win out next time.

What lovely terminology for a human being you have just used. This is why it is impossible to debate with someone who insists on using gutter language.

The most recent polls on the electoral commission approved referendum question are 48%, 49% and 50% yes.

You can’t seriously consider a poll commissioned by the dodgy extremist group “Scotland in Union” asking a different question as being relevant here.

Bojo has shown that he doesn't give two hoots about Scotland (or Wales). There's so much anger about this

I can imagine the shrieking and tantrums from the SMPs if Bojo started spouting forth on what needs done in Scotland. It would go down sooooo well

“ What lovely terminology for a human being you have just used. This is why it is impossible to debate with someone who insists on using gutter language.”

Me? I should perhaps have used quotation marks. It’s mainstream parlance for those people, the lifelong socialists who always said they wanted to abolish the House of Lords and who have then filled their pockets with taxpayers’ cash and taken the robes and Lordships.

Go to Westminster, such up to the establishment and don’t rock the boat and you will be treated very nicely, like the vermin in ermine referenced above.

That’s not what MPs are supposed to be doing though. They are there to represent their parties and their constituencies and to try to enact what they can from THEIR manifestos.

Sure, because there are no other MPs trying to shake things up. You just don't hear them roaring on about respect and demands, but actually getting on with making reasonable honest arguments and doing something.

I'm watching Blackford ranting about independence and respect in PMQs yet again as I write. What good is that doing us?

Genuine question (i.e. not trying to be goady) - would Scotland still be able to fund free prescriptions and university fees if it was totally independent from the rest of the UK?

As an English person I would be sorry to see Scotland leave as I think it would be huge cultural loss to the UK - but I couldn't blame the Scots for voting 'yes' given that the Brexit fiasco is making the UK a laughing stock at the moment.

It amazes me how Scottish people can live in a country that has no say. Literally no say.

England decide. Always.

Why are people happy with this? It sickens me.

If the vote is no again then I'm off for sure. Canada probably. I couldn't live with people who do not want what is best for their own country. People who are happy to have a voice that is never heard and doesn't matter even if it is.

“ Sure, because there are no other MPs trying to shake things up. You just don't hear them roaring on about respect and demands, but actually getting on with making reasonable honest arguments and doing something.”

You must be watching a different Parliament from me. It’s been civil war in Parliament for the last 3 years with MPs from all parties going ballistic about all manner of things.

It's still a Hell Naw from me. Always will be.

NO THANK YOU.

Not now, not next year, not in the forseeable future. Brexit was bad enough, Indyref2 would be 100 times worse. The country is still so deeply divided from the last one.

Hate the SNP and their Saltire waving acolytes. They've taken MY country, torn ii to shreds, created division and then brand me not a proper Scot because I'm not on board with their nationalistic, narrow minded agenda.

Let's hope they get a real kicking at the poll and that might shut Sturgeon up for a bit if the Alex Salmond court case doesn't do that first.