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Jeremy Corbyn

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salcombebabe · 30/10/2019 08:26

I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

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salcombebabe · 30/10/2019 09:19

I think what infuriates me is that so many people believe the smear campaign against JC by the tabloids and media. If only they’d do some research they’d see these smears as lies! His policies (in a nutshell) are to make life more fair for the majority of the UK and to protect the NHS! You’d have to be the most hard hearted, selfish individual not to want this for your fellow man/woman.

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fotheringhay · 30/10/2019 09:20

None are the party for women Sad but at least Labour make efforts to reach 50:50 men/women MPs.

But I realise the major problems even within that initiative!

fotheringhay · 30/10/2019 09:22

The thing I think with JC it that it's gone way beyond whether the smears are lies or true.

The fact is now that enough people believe them that he's tainted. I wish someone else would take over before the election.

It's a bit like the Tory lie that Labour caused the global financial crash. If the voters believe it there's not much you can do but let it go (believe me I've tried)

StinkGhoul · 30/10/2019 09:25

My view on Corbyn is that his policies will drive far more businesses out of the UK than even Brexit will. He will destroy entrepreneurship and aspiration at at time when the Uk economy needs it more than ever and in foreign policy terms he’s a spineless and indecisive wimp.
Care you explain why you think that. Aside from the attitude of a media owned by exploitative tax-dodging billionaires?

Why is it Corbyn is painted as the devil incarnate while men like Johnson and Rees Mogg are in power? It’s not difficult to establish.

Who has the most to gain from a no deal Brexit and the erosion of employment rights and the nhs? Who has the most to lose from renationalising services and reinforcing employment rights?

The reasonyx

AmIThough · 30/10/2019 09:25

but at least Labour make efforts to reach 50:50 men/women MPs.

This is the issue with equality. It shouldn't be 50/50.
It should be whoever is best regardless of sex.

StinkGhoul · 30/10/2019 09:26

The fact that the media have managed to paint Corbyn as a communist would be hilarious if people didn’t actually believe. There’s nothing hard left about the current Labour Party - people just aren’t used to left of centre any more.

StinkGhoul · 30/10/2019 09:27

This is the issue with equality. It shouldn't be 50/50.
It should be whoever is best regardless of sex.

And how do you think we get to that stage as a society when gender bias in hiring and election are so strong?

Ohhellooooo · 30/10/2019 09:27

Neither Labour's policies nor Corbyn are 'good'. I can't wait to see his fully costed manifesto

GOODCAT · 30/10/2019 09:28

He has taken the Labour party much, much further left than I am comfortable with.

Labour needs to be either for or against leaving the EU.

weird0 · 30/10/2019 09:29

Firstly, he's a racist and secondly, if he gets into power all that will happen is the rich will leave with all their money, so Corbyn will have to tax the already over-taxed, over-worked middle income workers even more in order to give even more to those that don't work/work part time.

There won't be any point in having a career or trying to better yourself as you will be no better off than doing a minimum wage job because of all the benefit top-ups and satellite benefits available. Race to the bottom.

Quaffy · 30/10/2019 09:30

You’d have to be the most hard hearted, selfish individual not to want this for your fellow man/woman

Lol! Yes of course it’s that simple Hmm

GlitchStitch · 30/10/2019 09:32

You’d have to be the most hard hearted, selfish individual not to want this for your fellow man/woman.

You'd have to be this to not care about Jewish MPs being driven out of their own party, or Jewish people seeing raging anti Semites who spout the most repulsive stuff being chosen as candidates by momentum.

DoctorTwo · 30/10/2019 09:43

He’s genuinely dangerous to the future of the UK

How? I'd genuinely love to know. More dangerous than the current shower of thieves? Has Corbyn moved his hedge fund HQ out of London? Has he advised investors to move their money out of the UK? Or is that Rees Mogg and Redwood.

LEELULUMPKIN · 30/10/2019 09:43

They would have to get rid of Dianne Abbott too for me to vote for them again.

AmIThough · 30/10/2019 09:45

@LEELULUMPKIN she's fantastic, give her £3000 and she'll double the police force.

LEELULUMPKIN · 30/10/2019 09:46

AmIThough :) :) :)

Justanotherlurker · 30/10/2019 09:53

People are still banging on about the media smears.

That was Corbyn's doing. Let's not act like he is some diplomat extraordinaire and the press have just made up what he does or doesn't do here. His god-awful leadership for at least the first two years of his position was very obvious and well noted by a near-consensus of MPs, not to mention that he had half his cabinet resign on him in less than 12 months as a direct result of his terrible leadership.

Make no mistake: The man is dragging Labour down, and he is the master of his own downfall.

DoctorTwo · 30/10/2019 09:55

You'd have to be this to not care about Jewish MPs being driven out of their own party

It wasn't a Labour voter who murdered Jo Cox. Nor was it Labour voters who hounded Heidi Allen out of politics or who are threatening Antoinette Sandbach.

Lumene · 30/10/2019 10:00

Jewish people I know in the Labour Party, including MPs say they feel unsafe and unsupported under Corbyn’s leadership.

This thread is de ja vu I don’t know why people who support Corbyn keep posting these as it just educated people on the answer. Which is not to JC’s benefit.

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 30/10/2019 10:04

I am no Corbynite but I see firsthand, through my job and my personal life, what the Tories' austerity policies are doing to people, especially the most vulnerable. Over the last ten years a steady drip-drip-drip of propaganda like 'My Life on Benefits' style programmes and pitting the less well off against each other for the scraps while those in power and their corporate associates cream off the profits have successfully demonised those who have to claim benefits for any reason. The DWP's own figures show a fraud rate for DLA of less than 1%, yet they set a target to get 20% of disability benefits claimants off those benefits. Which would be fine if they were also implementing more policies of inclusive, flexible, disability-friendly employment rights to support those who might be able to work with the right support to get into the workplace (and that's disregarding that DLA/PIP were/are supposedly in-work benefits anyway). But they haven't, and they have no intention of doing so - quite the opposite; they want to remove more of our employment rights in order to maximise profit. So they are knowingly taking benefits from over 19% of claimants who they themselves have previously acknowledged to be disabled and in need of financial support. The Tories have made being poor and/or disabled into a moral failing, and too many people are swallowing that bullshit.

I think people who have never had to navigate the system themselves or help someone else do so believe that "genuine" disabled people can still get help without too much trouble and it's only the 'scroungers' who suffer. I can guarantee this is not the case. I, Daniel Blake should be rebranded as a documentary and made compulsory viewings in schools and workplaces. I see it play out over and over again in the comparatively deprived area in which I live and work. The average waiting time for the DWP to reconsider a PIP decision through their own internal procedures is 69 days. The average waiting time for the next stage, appeal at tribunal, is 190 days. That's more than half a year without the money meant to help make life more bearable - or in some cases, possible at all - for someone with a disability. The success rate for claimants at appeal is 75%. So the decision-making policies within the DWP are palpably not fit for purpose as they're getting it wrong so many times, but they remain in place. Because it is a calculated, ideological policy on the part of the Conservatives to make life harder for the most vulnerable.

I dislike Corbyn as an individual, I condemn anti-semitism (I'm no fan of the beliefs one must hold to be able to call Muslim women who wear the niqab 'letterboxes' either, although that's apparently just a jape, what is Boris like eh?) but right now, the Tories' policies are actively killing people. They're killing people by denying them the benefits they need to live (approximately 5,700 disabled people died within six months of being found fit for work by the DWP - some within weeks, even days, of the decision) and by systematically defunding the NHS. That is not scaremongering, that is the reality of life under the Tories for those who aren't comfortably enough off to have other options.

I'm not 100% sure whether I will vote Labour in the GE, but if it's the best chance of getting the Tories out, I'll have a cross against my red MP candidate's name faster than you can say knife. I honestly fear for how many more people will needlessly, avoidably die under another five years of Tory rule. But yeah, Corbyn's the bogeyman for wanting to take a few more pounds of your money.

fotheringhay · 30/10/2019 10:09

Brilliant post Onlythetit

Dragongirl10 · 30/10/2019 10:12

*Firstly, he's a racist and secondly, if he gets into power all that will happen is the rich will leave with all their money, so Corbyn will have to tax the already over-taxed, over-worked middle income workers even more in order to give even more to those that don't work/work part time.

There won't be any point in having a career or trying to better yourself as you will be no better off than doing a minimum wage job because of all the benefit top-ups and satellite benefits available. Race to the bottom.*

This is so true...and to those who seem to think it is fine for wealhty people to leave the country due to the extreme left policies of JC....do you not realise how much tougher it will become for the poorer in society without this wealth circulating?

The top 10% of earners make up a huge proportion of tax receipts.....alienate them into taking their wealth elsewhere at your peril. Its all very well hearing JCs elaborate plans for services and benefits for those in need but this doesn't work if you drive the big income generators overseas at the same time.

To have a successful safety net for the bottom low income families, you need to have wealth generators and business thriving to provide a strong economy.

This is why JC would fail spectacularly and decimate the economy.

duckling84 · 30/10/2019 10:14

OP I agree. People voted for David Cameron then ended up with Theresa May. They then voted for Theresa May and ended up with Boris Johnson.
Vote for policies not people

PanemEtCircenses · 30/10/2019 10:18

But yeah, Corbyn's the bogeyman for wanting to take a few more pounds of your money.

This isn’t it at all, for me.
I am fully aware of the effect on the vulnerable of Tory austerity and I would love to be able to vote Labour.
But Jeremy “my pronouns are he/him” Corbyn is leading a party that will replace sex class with gender identity, making our society much less safe for my daughters and giving them far fewer opportunities.
I hate populism, and all our parties are falling down that slippery slope. The best chance to end it is Labour replacing Corbyn.

SeaWitchly · 30/10/2019 10:33

I actually like JC and think he is that rare kind of politician who actually cares about the British people and wants to see an end to inequality in society, particularly the Tories cruel austerity policies. But I will also vote Labour as this election will be a battle to the end for them and the Conservatives and imo the UK cannot afford another heartless and profligate Tory government.