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How are you voting in December?

999 replies

MaMaMaMySharona · 30/10/2019 07:27

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this - I did look and couldn’t find one.

So now it’s been confirmed that we’re having a GE in December, how are you voting? And what are your predictions on the results?

I’ve seen quite a few posts on here over the past couple months from people saying they wouldn’t vote now as they are politically homeless - wondering if these people still feel that way?

I’m voting labour - albeit in a very safe Tory area (so feel very much as though my vote doesn’t count). Reasons being I would never vote Tory and I don’t like a lot of what the Lim Dems have said recently. I also couldn’t bring myself not to vote at all.

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Tatiebee · 30/10/2019 16:34

Labour but I would be willing to vote tactically in order to keep the Cons out.

tom5431 · 30/10/2019 16:35

Conservative - have voted both Conservative & Labour before, but would never vote for Labour at present, it's not just Corbyn, the whole of the shadow front bench (with a couple of exceptions) are useless.

I don't think my opinion (or vote) is any more or less important than anyone else's, however, to win a majority either of the two main parties need to win floating voters like myself.

contentedsoul · 30/10/2019 16:37

NOT

and never will again...EVER!!

Blingandrings · 30/10/2019 16:41

I’m not sure. I would vote for an elephant rather than Corbyn. Won’t vote SNP for anything either. I can’t see Jo Swinson as PM somehow. I never thought I’d vote Tory but just want Brexit over and have quite admired Johnston’s chutzpah in getting a deal agreed. He seems to be strong and decisive at least. Hate Tory policy over the past few years but think if he gets in he will do positive things . I never thought I’d say that.

LellyMcKelly · 30/10/2019 16:42

LibDem

1moreRep · 30/10/2019 16:42

i genuinely do not know. I just can't vote for corbyn, but the cuts the tories have made to the police are catastrophic. Boris seems quite pro police but is still a tory.

it's so depressing - i'm in the police and am just surviving on my salary.

Ithinkwerealonenowtiffany · 30/10/2019 16:42

With my feet.

flopsytheflatcat · 30/10/2019 16:44

Labour

DNR · 30/10/2019 16:44

Dont know yet. I will vote though, when I have made my decision.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 30/10/2019 16:53

Labour

EllaEllaE · 30/10/2019 16:58

Liberal Dems.

I am ashamed of having supported Corbyn. I joined the Labour Party a few years back, to vote for him as leader because I was excited by a genuinely socialist platform! First time I've ever joined a party.

But I've been shocked by how utterly incompetent he appears to be, and his almost willful inability to do politics. The botched response to anti-semitism was stupid and embarrassing, and turned what was a bad situation into a disgrace. And the waffling on Brexit -- honestly wtf.

If he had any sense of what's best for the country, Corbyn would step aside. I blame him for the Brexit mess as much as Cameron and Farage. If there had been an intelligent and purposeful opposition party, able to actually do their job, this mess would have been resolved already.

So I'm voting Lib Dem.

WithTheTide · 30/10/2019 17:01

I will vote tactically for the Lib Dem’s. It is unlikely that Labour will field a candidate here. Our Tory MP has (in my opinion) a terrible voting record. I am concerned that a conservative government will sell off the NHS, will water down workers rights, will water down human rights, will continue to develop policies where the wealthiest get richer, benefit from tax avoidance schemes etc etc. The campaign will no doubt be ruthless.

TheToldYouSoDance · 30/10/2019 17:15

Labour

loochmartino · 30/10/2019 17:18

There's no one worth voting for.

ArthurtheCatsHumanSlave · 30/10/2019 17:20

MN really is a world apart. Mostly Labour and Lib Dems on here - meanwhile out in the real world.......

MaMaMaMySharona · 30/10/2019 17:22

@arthurthecatshumanslave

There are loads of Tory supporters on this thread! A lot more than I was expecting, hugely worrying to me

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EllaEllaE · 30/10/2019 17:26

To answer some of the questions above in more detail, about why Corbyn is an idiot.

His opposition to the EU comes from an anti-neoliberal critique of the EU. Fair enough: he wants better worker protections, less rampant free market capitalism, etc. All good things and all traditional socialist positions. The EU is pro neoliberalism, so it makes sense to be against the EU if you are anti-neoliberalism. This has long been a Leftist critique, across Europe.

But the idea that the UK leaving the EU will bring about an alternative socialist future in the UK is preposterous. It's just so far from anything realistic, it make me really doubt Corbyn's intelligence. Brexit is going to result in neoliberalism and free trade on steroids! That's the whole point of why the Tories and people like Farage support it, because free market economics mean the rich get richer! Jeremy Corbyn acting all shocked and surprised that Brexit might lead to fewer regulations and protections for workers, rather than more, is either hypocrisy or stupidity.

Greece had a good reason to leave the EU: free market economics following the 2008 crash decimated its economy and society. Greece has a strong and recent socialist tradition in politics. If Greece had left the EU, there was a realistic chance that they would have embraced an alternative economic situation that would led to better worker rights and a fairer society.

But the UK is not Greece. Greece -- which was being screwed over by richer EU countries like France, Germany and (yes) the UK - had a reason to complain; the UK really didn't. The UK has always been one of the beneficiaries of the EU's neoliberalism. (British people today complaining about the EU is as illogical as 19th Century Victorian mill owners in Lancashire complaining that the slaves picking cotton on American plantations are oppressing them. Rich countries like the UK benefit from countries like Greece getting screwed over.)

If Corbyn wanted to do something about the rampant inequalities wrought by neoliberal, free market economics, he would have supported changing the EU to make it fairer for poorer countries like Greece. The UK is (was) one of the richer countries in the EU. The fact that there is vast amounts of poverty in the UK is due to the unequal distribution of all that money -- not that there isn't any of it. The UK could have used its economic and political clout to bring about change for everyone in Europe, the UK included. But instead, he thought that somehow going it alone, reducing our global power significantly, and opening us up to total exploitation by the US (esp under the current lunatic Trump), was going to result in.... Well who knows. A socialist revolution? A workers uprising, where the people of Britain rise up and sing the internationale while storming the means of production?

I can't even.

Corbyn believes that Brexit is going to result in more equal distribution, better worker protections, and more regulation of capitalism. The only conclusion I can come to is that the man is just a naive fool.

FabbyChix · 30/10/2019 17:27

Labour the torture have always made the rich richer and the poor poorer

Velveteenfruitbowl · 30/10/2019 17:30

Voting Tory but I’m not as sure as everyone else seems to be that they will win. We’re setting ourselves up to emigrate in the event of a large labour majority. Might as well move elsewhere and start again seeing as well loose everything that’s keeping us here if the Corbynites have their way.

Bayleaf25 · 30/10/2019 17:33

Why don’t the people who are going to spoil their ballot papers vote Green to at least send a message about climate change?

NoWordForFluffy · 30/10/2019 17:34

Tactically. Either LD or Labour depending on who'll oust the ERGer we have at the moment. He only has a 3k majority.

I always said I'd never vote Labour, but it's ABT (anyone but Tories) for me. Desperate times and all that.

DustyDiamond · 30/10/2019 17:34

Or vote SDP for a centrist party with sensible left & right mix of policies?!

Perfect protest vote & might raise their profile too!

Paddington68 · 30/10/2019 17:41

Labour, trying again to get rid of Bob Blackman

Paddington68 · 30/10/2019 17:43

I like how FabbyChix autocorrect calls the Tories a better name.
The Torture, so true.

noodlenosefraggle · 30/10/2019 17:45

Agree. Don't spoil your ballot paper. The people marking your ballot paper as spoilt don't care what you've written on it. My DH spoilt his referendum ballot paper in protest at the quality of the debate Hmm I'm still pissed off about it.