How are you voting in December?

[MaMaMaMySharona]

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this - I did look and couldn’t find one.

So now it’s been confirmed that we’re having a GE in December, how are you voting? And what are your predictions on the results?

I’ve seen quite a few posts on here over the past couple months from people saying they wouldn’t vote now as they are politically homeless - wondering if these people still feel that way?

I’m voting labour - albeit in a very safe Tory area (so feel very much as though my vote doesn’t count). Reasons being I would never vote Tory and I don’t like a lot of what the Lim Dems have said recently. I also couldn’t bring myself not to vote at all.

I’m another politically homeless person. Some Tory policies hit my personal needs, but the Brexit shambles has done it for me. Some Labour policies hit the needs of my employment/local area. But my local MP is an idiot, who only seeks publicity for themselves, and will throw their area under a bus if it gets them in the paper. The Momentum gang will never get a vote unless Corbyn et al leave and take away the no gender, women hating groupies. And John McDonall terrifies me. I know some people who just chose not to work- they will love his ideas.
And the Lib Dems, Greens have lost it big style.

I really wish someone would crack on with the centerist party- you can have xy&z, but contribute towards it, and don’t take the piss would work for many of us here I expect

Lifelong labour voter but not a great fan of Corbyn.

Could never vote Tory though.

Currently have labour MP but she isn’t well liked in the town so think we will end up with a brexit mp. Hopefully not conservative as he was less than useless last time.

Aargh I just don’t know!

@Alicia9999 under the current system, massive swings to green would be needed and that won’t happen. Too many people rely on sound bites to decide their voting.

I have voted green before in London elections.

We need proportional representation because people would see a real translation of their vote into someone representing their views.

@Adamullah123 have you tagged me in error?

*Iggly

Stupid phone. I’ve heard some argument for leave which has made me read into it further and check the facts. But ultimately I’d rather not take a gamble with leaving when changes could be made while still being a member of the eu.*

I agree with your point that leavers are the same. I expressed that in my pp.

You see leaving as a threat. I see it as an opportunity. There’s no half-way compromise, so we are destined to not see each other’s POV.

I’m a remainer and I was generally so mainly because there was no plan

So I was right

The people who voted remain many of them did for this reason. Not because they opposed the concept of leaving, but the delivery was non existent, with no solid plans and a lot of it was not sensible or practical

If someone had presented to me a smooth exit I might have voted differently. I know why people voted to leave, but it was a gamble and it hasn’t paid off. I just wish people would admit it was always a gamble, and that those of us who didn’t wish to place such a bet and gamble stability were not ‘right’ just cautious

I've seen a lot of people talk about not voting LD because of woman's issues or spoiling their votes and I don't get it. I'm as anti self ID as the next feminist, but Brexit IS a a woman's issue too. I'd far rather get that sorted and continue to lobby against self id and other issues but right now, the way Brexit is going, it's women who are going to be the most affected - from spiralling food prices and food unavailability to a range of women's rights that we won't necessarily gain because the UK won't be obliged to. Never mind the smaller, petty things that will inevitably land on woman's laps like organising visas for trips to Europe or maybe that's just me who finds this irritating

I haven't decided as my area is die hard tory and the incumbent wins with a massive majority every single time. But I might try a tactical vote.

You see leaving as a threat. I see it as an opportunity

Threats could be opportunities if they’re appropriately mitigated.

But I’ve not seen one Brexit plan which seeks to mitigate the huge risks to the economy.

That was what I was looking for before the referendum vote - any credible argument about how to unwind a decades long beneficial relationship.

It’s missing completely from all of this.

Labour. Through gritted teeth.

@MaMaMaMySharona but that’s democracy! The result is leave regardless of how damaging you think it is! The majority voted leave, how many revotes do you want? Til the majority is remain?

@ShatnersWig I don’t think I’ll have to, I think it will be Tory candidate that secures the seat

I know why people voted to leave, but it was a gamble and it hasn’t paid off. I just wish people would admit it was always a gamble

It hadn’t “paid off” because we haven’t done it yet. How can you ask people to admit failure when their ‘idea’ (shall we call it) hasn’t even be tried.

It’s like saying. “You want to leave Brownies? You’ll have nothing to do after school. It’ll never work! I want to you stay at Brownies. See what a failure this is! Admit the idea was wrong and stay at Brownies”.

Leavers can accept that leaving the EU has been a failure, because we haven’t done it yet.

Spoilt ballot

Leavers can’t accept (autocorrect)

DBML is disagree that proper listening is impossible. Well maybe I'm being optimistic.

But honestly I'm genuinely interested, and via listening carefully I've discovered all sorts of reasons why people vote differently from me.

One of my closest friends is a very active member of a party I wouldn't vote for (Lib Dems), and I can totally see why she believes in individual liberty over the importance of pulling together to improve things collectively (my somewhat rose tinted summary of the Labour approach).

She's lived a very comfortable life and consequently believes that people create their own luck, therefore if someone's struggling it's basically their own fault. The point it, I don't agree but I really do understand her

god this is depressing

I think we should sack them all. arrange constitutional reform (not sure how if weve sacked them but ill think on that ) and only sensible people who have had sucessful careers and life expereince in profession or industry are allowed to stand as MPs. all these current twits (career politians) who just like the sound of their own voices can go in a dark room and continue to shout at each other and agree on nothing.

Conservative.

Fundamentally I agree with their core principles of a small state, personal responsibility, hard work being rewarded, and people that are down on their luck provided for but welfare not being an acceptable lifestyle choice. I am a reluctant remainer, having issues with sovereignty and trade, however recognising the brexit will cause uncertainty and short term gain, with the negatives slightly outweighing the positives.

I am frustrated that the tories have torn themselves apart over europe. Just as we were emerging from the economic downturn and able to gently begin to increase public spending, the europe issue blew up again more ferociously than ever, partly due to the EU overstretching its reach, and partly due to the emboldened euro skeptic wing of the tories. This internal division then spread and divided a nation. I believe the EU and the euro skeptics are equally capable, and I don't blame Cameron for his gamble in an attempt to put an end to this issue once and for all so he could get on with governing.

Since the referendum I have not seen what a lot of people claim. Rebel tories voting down the government out of conviction is a good thing.

However the Labour behaviour from the start has been shocking. JC was more or less invisible throughout the remain campaign he claimed to support. His views remain ambiguous as he knows that his vote is split on this issue. He is the antithesis of a conviction politician. He has whipped his party to frustrated each brexit vote at every turn, instead proposing that he get a deal and that deal would somehow be magically better, but he'd campaign for a vote against that deal. I also have concerns about his policies such as scrapping trident, renationalisation, taxation of successful people, and seeming to have a soft spot for Britain's enemies. Whilst I don't believe JC is an antisemite, I am very concerned that he turns a blind eye where possible as to not offend the momentum faction.

In conclusion. I am disappointed with this Brexit fiasco. It was stirred in part by the conservatives. and they missed a great opportunity for national prosperity and progress in creating this mess. However I continue to share their principles.I am angry at labour/JC's conduct throughout the brexit debates and I am worried about his views, his policies, and his acolytes at momentum. I want him nowhere near no. 10.

But I’ve not seen one Brexit plan which seeks to mitigate the huge risks to the economy.

That’ll you’ll accept or acknowledge anyway.

Lib dem as still hoping for a 2nd referendum. I think the country needs a 2nd referendum so that we can all move on. If leave wins again then so be it - let's crack on - but I don't believe lots of vote leave initially understood what they voted for.

I'll vote Green after this. Historically I have voted Labour.

I'm a scot voter who supports Tory.

But I may vote tactically and vote labour to get the SNP out in our area. Not a chance of Tory winning here.

There isn't any other option except for Conservative.
JC can't even run his own party properly, never mind a country.

While I accept the idea that hard work should be rewarded - it isn’t by the conservatives.

Work hard does not translate to a decent well paid job earning enough to keep a roof over your head. Not in this country.

do you think that jeremy Corbyn and John Mcdonnel are marxists then?

Adamullah you don’t think John Mcdonnel standing in front of a banner depicting Stalin and Mao tells you something?

I really feel like doing a Kevin Bridges and drawing a cock and baws on the ballot paper!

I won't, But I don't know who I'm going to vote for.
I was always a labour supporter.

They can’t admit it hasn’t paid off? We have delayed this how many times now? There is still no solid plan or agreement? It hasn’t happened because the government is falling apart and no one can agree to any plans

I’m sorry but if that isn’t an epic failure so far then I dread to think what it would be. We can’t even manage to get to the part where we actually officially leave.

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The last couple of elections I've used the policies not parties tool that asks you to rank policies in order without seeing the party they are attached too.
My area used to swing between LD and Tory but has been fairly safe Tory seat for a while now. I don't think I could vote for Tory, I can't stand our MP and I think Boris is playing a dangerous game ( although I will admit is a clever one). Due to my area, Labour will never actually get in because we are of no concern to them, and Corbyn scares me too.
I guess it will probably be Green as they are who I seem to align closest with but it feels akin to spoiling my paper in my area.