To ask supporters of porn to read this

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A missing 15 year old girl was spotted in videos hosted by Pornhub. Those of you who are “ok” with porn - are you “ok” with this?

The sentence the man involved in making the videos is for another thread, but is shocking.

@PencilsInSpace Wow 80% of the porn industry owned by this one company MindGeek.
And about 1/4 of all internet traffic is porn related
That would be a very powerful and rich company
That would be a very powerful business case for continuing to exploit the people shown on the videos and images

Yes, and yet the only seem to turn over $400 million. Strange that.

even to the extent of stating that people with direct experience of sex-related work can't possibly know the truth about it in the way that some muppet who has read some shit on a website does.

You still haven't explained exactly what your direct experience of sex-related work is, SGB.

I don't understand why the 'ethical porn' lovers are not expressing outrage at the mainstream porn lovers who know what they are wanking to might be abuse but just don't care. Examples are on this thread (although the most shocking post has now been deleted).

It isn not necessarily about "not caring". It is more about needing some kind of actual evidence, hint, suggestion, suspicion, that such a what-if may be going on, rather than just the abstract theoretical potential that it might be.

As pointed out in the deleted post, women have reported getting coerced into threesomes and attending swingers parties, by abusive partners.

So it is not as if the swinger / single person in the threesome "doesn't care" about the possibility that there may be such a woman in the room. That is not their thought process.

It is more that if there is no actual evidence to say this, then a totally unevidenced, totally theoretical abstract potential isn't enough.

Of course if there actually was any such a hint, maybe one of the women present is tingling a spider-sense in terms of something about the way she talks looks acts vibes body languages demeanours presents etc etc, that changes the situation considerably.

But in the complete abscence of anything other than abstract theoretical potential, well, rightly or wrongly a lot of people are not going to just elect to miss out on that swingers party / threesome / porn video.

Yes I know, rape apologists the lot of them.

That of course was just about the way people's minds often work. It still behoves people to make an effort not to contribute to the continuation of unethical porn by, for example, buying DVDs and subscriptions without thought.

I wasn't asking you JAPAB, you have shown us who are. I was asking 'ethical porn' lovers why they're not outraged by people like you.

I wasn't asking you JAPAB, you have shown us who are. I was asking 'ethical porn' lovers why they're not outraged by people like you.

You presented a strawman. I was adressing it. Of course when a post is deleted people can retrospectively claim that it said anything they want to misrepresent it to have said.

No one is lying about your post, JAP.

Women injured whilst filming porn

Porn and sex trafficking

Then we have the original article about a child being raped on film.

The photo attached is a screenshot showing porn films with titles related to women - and in some cases children - being raped. I know exactly what porn supporters say to refute the sickening nature of this last one so don’t bother.

Of all the nasty, slimy, special pleading, intellectually dishonest arguments the “you only don’t like porn because you’re a pearl clutching, repressed prude” is the worst.

Yes, that’s my favourite too BR

But as the main porn apologists on this thread appear to be men who are enthusiastic consumers and a pornographer, I suppose it’s not surprising.

There is also a particular chooseychoice feminism that inevitably says “if you don’t support porn you are anti bodily autonomy”.

Which is bollocks, obvs.

We live in a capitalist society that preys on the weak. And where sex and human (particularly female) bodies are a commodity.

And it's imo obvious why the porn (actually no, sex industry) would be especially bad about this.

I'm not saying that consenting adults filming themselves whilst having sex simply because they like to film themselves is wrong. Some of their sexual practices may be practices I personally dislike (like extreme bdsm, demeaning / humiliating practices) but that's still their choice....

But as soon as you factor in issues like money, dependency, power etc (=>capitalism) it gets incredibly difficult and creates a huge space for abuse (a point the OP and other users argued successfully, I believe).

The mobile I'm currently using may unfortunately have been produced in similarly unethical circumstances....
So no, I'm obviously not a 'perfect' ethical consumer either. I guess the difference is that the people who watched a 15 yos ''porn''video / abuse directly derived pleasure from her abuse and exploitation.
Whereas it's much further removed with a phone and not inherently tied to actually abusive practices...

Btw, young little girls forced to have sex... That's got to be about pedophilia, right?? That's just... Really horrible.

Yes,craving, you’d think it was - but.... wait and see what the porn supporters say about the titles though.

As someone said “Sex work is neither sex nor work”

I think is was Julie Bindel who said “the inside of a woman’s body is not a workplace”

But how?? The ones about adults I can sort of see how you may go about trying to justify those...
I was once with a man that wanted me to piss on him. It really wasn't my cup of tea but I honestly hope that he managed to find a woman that likes demeaning her partner in such a way (he really was a lovely chap. Just a major case of sexual incompatibility).

Which is why I am fairly sure that some women like similarly demeaning things, are excited by the idea of being a sexually demeaned vintage housewife (to pick an examples provided on the thread).
And I guess in theory some of them would also like to be filmed when that takes place. And if we didn't have that huge social stigma about sex many more of the people enjoying exhibitionism might participate in genuinely voluntary porn.

But that's evidently not what's going on here, right?
And even if you're naive (or otherwise invested) enough to make yourself believe that the adults do this happily, freely and healthily.

How could you justify commercialising pedophilia??..

Usually things like “it’s a fantasy, it doesn’t mean anyone really wants it to happen” 🤷🏻‍♀️

No one is lying about your post, JAP.

It didn't say that I watch mainstream porn and "don't care" about the potential what-ifs (as it happens, I personally primarily watch amateures).

The photo attached is a screenshot showing porn films with titles related to women - and in some cases children - being raped. I know exactly what porn supporters say to refute the sickening nature of this last one so don’t bother.

Then you'll know that a lot of the time when a video gets uploaded to a platform, it is the specific user who uploaded it who gives it the title. And it is actually common to find the same clip on multiple sites with a different name each time. And the title user A gives it might not accurately reflect the tone or content of the video.

For example, the original clip might just be called Hot Housewives #34. And on one site it'll be called just that. On another it'll be called housewife gets fucked hard by the gardener, and on another the title will get a lot more aggressive-sounding. Yet the actual clip will be just a normal straight scene without any rough-treatment portrayed.

It is also known for specific individuals to name titles to reflect their own interests, again,, independent of accuracy. For example you might see "aschoolgirl gets..." yet in the scene itself there is no mention of the character being a schoolgirl. it just titilated the person who named it to think of her as one I suppose.

And then you get people who will take absolutely any hint of anything less than 100% enthusiasm amd give it a title that will make the scene sound rapey when it really isn't. So let's say the woman in Hot Housewives #34 makes a slight remark about 'no we musn't my husband will be home any minute' before saying what the hell and going for it. You just know that thet clip will turn up elsewhere having been renamed to titles that include terms like "unwanted" amd "reluctant" or other titles that really do not reflect the tone at all.

Not sure what any of this proves other than unfortunately some of the people who watch porn get titilated by things it would be better if they didn't and they will rename the file in ways that more reflects their own interests than what the scene actually is.

Oh don't get me wrong. There no doubt are clips that portray rape scenarios. But not sure that that makes the vast majority that do not, guilty by association.

I mean, the rest of music is not guilty because there exists gangster rap.

Just reading those titles damages people. It makes children acceptable wank off fodder, it makes violence against women acceptable as a wank off scenario.
It dehumanises people into just another of the 'thousands' of porn images wanked off to.

How much does your orgasm cost society?

"schoolgirl gets' normalising paedophilia
'Unwanted' normalising rape.

Gangster rap- generally not approved by wider society as being misogynistic.

I have never yet heard a logical argument as to why sex work is not work and could never be work that isn't fundamentally 'EWW, but it's got SEX'. There are all sorts of activities that human beings might engage in for different reasons at different times, and the reasons might include money, pleasure, obligation or necessity. For some people, particularly women in societies where women are men's property and every woman is supposed to be owned by one man on a 24/7 contract, selling sex could seem like a better option (time off and your own income). This is one of the reasons, of course, why people who are hostile to feminism are also hostile to sex workers: how dare they assume the right to make choices about their own bodies and charge for their physical/emotional labour?

The problems associated with the sex industry ie exploitation, coecion and danger are not unique to the sex industry, they are the problems associated with unfettered capitalism and inequality. Fix those in the wider world and you will fix the sex industry; focus on 'shutting down' the sex industry while ignoring or brushing aside the abuses suffered by poor or otherwise vulnerable people in other industries and you won't make the world a better place at all.

If 'just reading' titles about abuse damages people, are you going to do something about the proleporn mags, which are easily accessible to children and vulnerable adults? You know the sort of thing - screaming headlines about being abused by stepfathers; 'Six Years Old and Innocent' complete with picture of pigtailed kid in school uniform - but these are products aimed at women and on display in a newsagent near you.

(As with misery memoirs - fake or not - I've often wondered how many of the people who buy those things are actually using them for wank material.)

“ I have never yet heard a logical argument as to why sex work is not work and could never be work that isn't fundamentally 'EWW, but it's got SEX'.”
Yes, you have. Lots of them.

Incidentally @ ReanimatedSGB- you were going to tell us what your link is/was to the pornography industry?