To remind you all to register to vote...

[tumbleisatwat]

If you haven't already?

Also, encourage your older teenagers to register for the first time.

Boris has proposed election for December!

What's the point?

According to mumsnet the majority of politicians lie all the time so what‘s the point of deciding who to vote for after reading manifestos since they’re lies anyway?

I don't vote on manifestos (though I do take note).

I vote on past behaviour.

If there's an election I'll be voting, but I don't know who for. Politcally I'm a Lib Dem, especially when it comes to Brexit, and I like our local LD candidate BUT I feel like voting for smaller parties is just a vote for another Tory government because it only dilutes the votes against them. So I consider voting tactically by voting Labour, because I know its the best chance of challenging the Tory government and my own local Tory stronghold. But then, with next to no Brexit policy and Corbyn in charge, how can I vote Labour?

I guess if a GE is called I'll have to read up on Labour's manifesto and make a decision but it won't be an easy one

@Xenia, do you actually believe all the propaganda you keep posting? My husband has voted Tory all his adult life. He won’t do it any more, he and I see eye to eye politically for the first time in 21 years. We’re both voting LibDem next time. Never thought this would happen!

thanks for the reminder. Done.

(I meant to do it months ago, but was too lazy to get up off my bum and walk over to the draw where I keep my NI number. I just did it now. It took about 2 minutes.)

I absolutely cannot believe people are still spouting rubbish about the Tories being more responsible with the country's finances. Brexit, even with a deal, is going to be damaging to the economy. Yet Tories are committed to pushing it through for ideological reasons. There's no reliable source that predicts it's going to benefit the economy, yet it's Tory policy. The amount of cabinet ministers who were opposed to it yet now are happy to wave it through, even in its no-deal form, is utterly sickening. Without a deal, which the Tories are committed to if necessary, by the government's own forecasts it's going to shrink the economy by 8%. They have wasted millions on no-deal planning which hopefully won't happen now and which any responsible government should have never considered as a policy anyway.

Yet still people spout this crap about them being responsible with the purse strings. Whatever happens, for any reasonably well-informed person they have surely lost that reputation for the foreseeable future. But not here it seems. There is so much evidence and footage of front bench Tories saying one thing in the leave campaign and the complete opposite now, yet people think they are trustworthy and will vote for them again. I understand if you're rich and don't give a shit about anyone else, but anyone who is in away reliant on the welfare state or supports it in anyway is a complete and utter fool to vote in, or enable by abstaining, these complete and utter charlatans again.

Next thing we know someone will come along and post about that facetious note someone left in the treasury about there being no money...

Brexit, even with a deal, is going to be damaging to the economy. Yet Tories are committed to pushing it through for ideological reasons

Yes that quaint little ideological concept called democracy.

Come election day this country will be red

Not a chance! I live in a safe Labour seat...red rosette on a donkey and all that. However, the majority of voters in my area voted Leave. Labour this time will be crushed by The Brexit Party.

I have no idea who to vote for. I'll wait for the manifestos to come out and probably stick a pin...Eeny, meeny, miny, mo. I'll take Labour out of the running first though. I have no idea who to vote for - but I do know it won't be Labour.

Come election day this country will be red

Keep dreaming

All the set backs for Boris Johnson also work in his favour come an election campaign as much as people don’t like to admit it he appeals to voters and the stance getting the job done certainly does at present

Labour have been too wishy washy in regards to Brexit and in a tricky situation either way they shall alienate voters. And many labour voters will not vote for them while Corbyn is ruining the party (and running) four years wasted under this useless incompetent leader

Libdems well it’s a shame VC stepped down he was looking weary. They appeal to those who still believe in a second referendum but many have now realized this won’t and was never going to happen

The Brexit Party shall probably do well as they have nothing to loose - but the Tories and Labour have a lot of voters to potentially lose to them

The polls have the Tories very comfortably ahead and plus they have a leader who is good on the campaign trail

Another five years

Johnson has already said the NHS is not open to the US.

He also said he'd die in a ditch if we didn't leave the EU on 31 October. We'll only have to wait until midnight on Thursday to see if he's a liar or not.

He also said he'd die in a ditch if we didn't leave the EU on 31 October. We'll only have to wait until midnight on Thursday to see if he's a liar or not

Plus,..he said no British Government should create a border in the sea between NI and This country.....but he's suddenly changed his mind.

Those wanting to protect the vulnerable as their priority will find the Tories are the best party for that as they ensure the nation has the funds to maintain the welfare state

How? They've borrowed and wasted a fortune since they came to power. They've held money aside after cutting services and now claim they are wonderful because they are pledging to put money into services.....but it's not more than they cut in the first place! It's just a pre election con anyway!
Even if they had a strong economy, they wouldn't invest in the welfare state. Tories don't want a bloody welfare state!! They never have.
They outsource everything to private companies who put profit before care.
Usually,....they have or will have connections to these private companies.
That ordinary people believe the shit propaganda of the Tories is astonishing.

Some nutters on this thread if they think labour have a chance in a GE, that's why steptoe doesn't want one as he knows half his colleagues will be out of a job.

He didnm't say the line as quoted above. He said he would rather die in a ditch than negotiate an extension. So it is not correct to say "he would die in a ditch if we did not leave on 31". By all means argue the points but let us stick to accuracy.

By all means argue the points but let us stick to accuracy.

OK, you start then, @Xenia.

*This govt. have now borrowed more than every previous Labour government.
They've wasted lots of money on contracts to companies like Carillion....who were going bust ffs! They've wasted money on bad decisions regarding HS2, which could end up being abandoned.

If you really believe everyone benefits from a strong economy you are deluded. Creating a 'strong economy' always means taking from the poorest and rewarding the richest. It's a bloody myth that we all benefit and people like you fall for it.*

Yep, @Limensoda, that's spot on.

And that emphasis on what is "affordable" in the narrowest, fiscal terms neglects some of the most important social needs, because the cost of -not having them met is hard to quantify.

Time after time on here I read posts from someone unable to get help for a child struggling with poor MH, because the criteria for CAMHS have been tightened to restrict access. How much more will neglecting the MH of society's children cost when they grow up to be troubled adults, possibly criminal, possibly unable to care for their own children? How much is spent on treating the health problems that arise from, or are exacerbated by, homelessness? How much homelessness has been caused by freezing LHA rates for years at a time when rents are rising? How many old people end up in hugely expensive residential care, or in hospital, because the care budget for home care is woefully inadequate?

It's short-termism and short-sightedness, and it needs to stop. The lack of investment in all aspects of social welfare is to the detriment of all of us in the long term.

He said it was Brexit on the 31st, 'do or die,' and he certainly lied to the DUP as quoted above. Their shock and anger when his deal was announced was plainly visible in the interviews they did.

Anyone who thinks right wing of the Tory party cares about democracy is delusional. There are many in the party who stand to gain from a hard or no deal Brexit and that is all this is about. Johnson has decided that the best way for him to keep power is to 'get Brexit done.' That's all - he doesn't care one way or the other and certainly couldn't care less about democracy. The way he has been electioneering in the midst of a crisis has been repulsive and anyone who believes any of the 'promises' deserves everything coming if he gets back in to not deliver them. The claim that 40 new hospitals would be built was almost immediately down-graded to 6 for example. Money they are claiming to want to invest will just go some way to restoring things to pre-austerity levels. It's all a lie.

There was no magic money tree, remember? Then there was money to bribe the DUP with. Then they became surplus to requirements and were stabbed in the back. Now there's money, or the promise of it, to bribe voters in traditional Labour leave-voting seats in the North and Midlands. Those voters, and their MPs, need to remind themselves how that worked out for the DUP.

I can't stand JC, but I think he is right to refuse to back an election until no-deal is completely off the table. As things stand we could end up crashing out next year even if the deal is initially passed over the next few weeks. Johnson has told the ERG that it's still on the table and that's the only reason they are 'supporting' the deal now.

Utterly irresponsible leadership - the epitome of irresponsible and moral bankruptcy.

People know Boris lies and manipulated this has ways be known it’s nothing new

The let’s get on with it and not be pushed around by the EU or stubborn MP’s will appeal to voters anything he has said about dying in ditches, we absolutely will leave on 31st or similar will all be twisted with a bit of pr

@theduchessstill

Excellent post!

Why the hell Tory supporters ignore his lies, his hypocrisy and trust him is a mystery.
He's an obnoxious man but they think he's good for this country. His own friends don't trust him. His family don't support his policies...but there are people stupid enough to want him as PM so long as he delivers Brexit.

not be pushed around by the EU

The EU which has now given us two extensions and been remarkably patient with us. If they were pushing us around they’d have slung us out by now - and who could blame them? Meanwhile the Tories have spent the last six months holding a leadership contest and illegally proroguing Parliament. Oh and shamelessly electioneering.

I'd like Dawn Butler though, I think she's great. But why? The woman who thinks that giraffes are gay.
I will always vote. Probably LD but Swinson makes me cringe

Limensoda

I agree the Boris phenomenon is a mystery

I do find it interesting

No one shoud be complacent whatever their political views and even if they think their vote will not make a different. It does even if just in terms of how many people turned out to vote. I am always pleased when women have political views even if they are different from my own.

There was a very clear explanation by an SNP lady on Radio 4 between 5 and 6pm about why they are voting in favour of having an election. I think she felt it was there only chance left of a second referendum.

It sounds as though with most parties except Labour wvtin with the Tories on the issues the Government can get over 50% to pass a bill to allow a new election in December. Presumably the Tories would recommending the existing withdrawal agreement MPs voted for last week and if the Tories get a majority then they could pass it right away. If Labour get in....well I hope they don't.

We shall see.

Boris has charisma- he's entertaining.

That's why he'll win. Best we can hope for is a slim majority that hamstrings him until labour can get their act together.

tumbleisatwat

He will win because he is the best of a bad lot.

It shows you how low the bar really is.