Brexit postponed

[MarianaMoatedGrange]

AIBU to worry that the (almost certain) delay in Brexit will give rise to civil unrest?

Honestly I jolly well hope things are going to be better in some tangible way, found myself being ridiculed recently by a leaver who kept telling me I was being hysterical ( this was about research moving overseas) and that nothing would change . She was somewhat stumped when I asked her why we were putting ourselves through all of this if nothing was going to change . Surely the whole point of this is that they want something to change .

Heard an analogy on Radio 4 last night which I thought was very apt, people wanting to just ‘get Brexit done so that we can talk about other things’ are like expectant parents who just want to get the birth over so that they can get back to sleeping and normal life !

I don't know why you're all badgering Mummmy. We're not leaving the EU. After this weekend I'm convinced of it. It's like Bobby appearing in the shower in Dallas. It's all been a bad dream

After we leave the next govenment is going to have to plan instead of just reacting.
For so long the UK has just ridden the tide, nothing has changed for so long.
Now when we leave, they will have to do better to get voted in.

“ For so long the UK has just ridden the tide, nothing has changed for so long.”
What do you want to change?

I hope I’m wrong too, would that be brilliant? To live in a thriving, open society with access to a solid, well funded NHS, with plenty of money coming in from our trade deals and no border in NI.

They will have to do better for who though mummy? Everyones idea of better is different. Some people think things will be better if we have things like universal basic income, other people think things will be better if they can pay their employees less and get them to work more. I suspect this government fall into the latter camp.

More housing.
Better care for the retired, to free up hospital beds.
Someone to invent a money grabber that helps our economy.
Lower rents, and house prices .
Free cake every Friday.

Mummy
More leaver sound bites I’m afraid.
What does ‘plan instead of reacting’ mean. I mean do you actually give any thought to things you are saying. You are happy for our lives to be turned upside down based on nothing but sound bites. So I think you should tell us what your understanding of that phrase is.
Just so you know, Johnson has been planning this a long time. With Trump.

How does remaining in the EU stop any of that from happening?

But we are not remaining.
All we are doing is Groundhog Day till we leave.

We could, if there was a second referendum. Out of interest, how would you vote?

More housing.
Better care for the retired, to free up hospital beds.
Someone to invent a money grabber that helps our economy.
Lower rents, and house prices .
Free cake every Friday.

What stopped them from doing it?

I really do wonder at people on this thread.
We are leaving, nothing you or I say in here is going to stop this .
There will never be a revoke.
At some point the EU will stop giving extension and instead of a deal it will be no deal, no matter what Parliament says they can not control the EU.

Second Referendum.
That will not go your way.
We are leaving.

Erm....a 2nd referendum would lead to a remain position. Based on polls since 2017.

It';s the Brexit bastard politicians, esp the right wing ones, that wish to thwart the will of the people. That much is clear.

What just like the first was going to be remain as well.
Joe Public is now firmly on the side of leave.

The polls also showed remain winning in 2016 often with a comfortable majority

The polls I have seen it’s flipped so not a huge difference. If it was as around 60/40 then I think there would be a chance but otherwise no

It is the unknown swing voters who turn it each time, these people don't read up on anything, but do see the headlines.
Parliament refuse to implement the will of the people.
Your MP voted against his constituents, sack him.
EU refuse us a good deal, back leave.
All sound bites but much easier to sell than Remains sound bites.

You are going to be so much worse off if/ when we leave mummmy, along with the majority of us.
You really can't see it and that's what is so frustrating. The conservative party/ Brexit will do nothing to make your life better.

Except remain’s position isn’t based on sound bites. It is known. Every single remain voter knows what we voted for.
You, as a leave voter, have been played like a useful idiot.
Anyway good luck to you. I hope you’re back to explain how it went for you. If you can afford WiFi that is.

Not got back to this thread since page 5 so might be diverting where this thread has moved onto.

Just wanted to comment on this

I cannot believe that you seem to be advocating families living in squalor as a serious proposition?
I am genuinely lost for words.
And that they will emerge from it wealthy

I was replying to a post which said that all Britain’s were too lazy and didn’t want to work.

I was trying to point out that it wasn’t as simple as that and comparing how immigrants live and work and how those born here live differently

I was saying that those that are born here have the benefits system, they have children and families to support even just emotionally.

That for a lot of EU migrants who move to the UK many do live in over crowded conditions and do work 7 days per week to get enough money together to buy their first place here or to go home and buy land and build their own house.

That if a British person is on benefits they cannot afford to take just any job as the salary has to be weighed up against the loss of benefits. They have children to house, feed and look after. Which all costs money the EU migrant does not have to find.

So compared to a British worker an EU migrant looks hard working and to say the British are lazy isn’t quite as cut and dried as it seems.

I know you all feel Ireland was a point that should have made people vote Remain, but the news, the papers and TV did not make it the issue , very few people realised just how much it would matter.

It was raised as an issue, and it definitely made some of the papers, and was discussed on some show on C4, but it was dismissed as Project Fear and we were told it would be fine. I remember it well, DP hadn't realised that the GFA included conditions about the NI/ROI border and we discussed it over dinner when we went out for my birthday in August 2016.

It was just pushed off the agenda.

The polls in 2016 as the referendum approached mostly had it very close indeed.

What's more likely to cause civil unrest, imo, will be if a no-deal Brexit goes ahead.

When the economy goes down the shitter and the poor and vulnerable are dumped on (again) from a great height, a lot of the people who voted for Brexit will be very angry indeed.

Actually there was some research in the guardian today I think that suggested most leave voters were affluent older voters in the south/ south east.

Sorry but that’s a load of rubbish. I suggest you read the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report on Brexit, which says:

“The poorest households, with incomes of less than £20,000 per year, were much more likely to support leaving the EU than the wealthiest households, as were the unemployed, people in low-skilled and manual occupations, people who feel that their financial situation has worsened, and those with no qualifications.”

Full report here: www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities