Brexit postponed

[MarianaMoatedGrange]

AIBU to worry that the (almost certain) delay in Brexit will give rise to civil unrest?

things to address

Like food and fuel and medicine shortages, power cuts and a 40% price rise in the cost of, well, mostly everything besides unicorns and and flag waving. But well, you'll have that change you so wanted.

You really shouldn't be shocked that they're acting to prevent a No Deal that none of them were elected to deliver.

mummy who told you, you had no right to vote?

“ post because I get feed up of being told I had no right to vote.”
Of course you had the right to vote.

How do you think your life will be better once we leave?

Leavers don't listen...this is clear

It's all project fear!!!! (Despite that many MPs and ministers are on record saying exactly what we accuse them of!)

Argh!

I'm genuinely baffled as to who leavers will blame once we leave the EU...?

Who will be at fault for worsening life expectancy, increasing food poverty and rise in child poverty rates, then?

The Labour party were voted in because of unfair workers rights and many other things .
So should the Tories abolish everything, would Labour just not reverse it once in power?

OMG! Head.desk.

Mummy2017
Oh my goodness.
Do you remember a couple of years ago, there was a trade deal being pursued (TTIP) between the EU and USA.
One of the worrying things about TTIP was the powers it would give corporations to sue the government if decisions were taken that would impact on their profits.
So imagine the scenario where a labour government decided to introduce a living wage or increased holidays after they have been decimated by the tories, TTIP would mean that large corporations could then sue the labour party.
I would not trust this tory government one single inch. And I certainly do not trust Johnson - he is a proven liar.

sorry, not the Labour Party itself but the government.

Who will be at fault for worsening life expectancy, increasing food poverty and rise in child poverty rates, then?

The Leavers' answer will still be that it is Europe's fault for 'not just letting us leave' and also the fault of Remainers for not digging for victory and Blitz spirit and shit. And Ireland's fault. And NI's fault. And everyone's fault but those who voted for this shower of shite and the oligarchs who sold the country to line their own pockets, of course.

Where does this blithe assumption and faith in the power of ordinary British people to get change outside the EU, when right now we have no power for change whatsoever come from? What does it take to get the point that the EU does not control our government across? Was it the EU that forced us into Iraq? That forced Blair to ignore the protests? No, if it was anything external it was the US. What is it that's forcing fracking on the people of Lancashire despite the protests and yet another set of earthquakes up there? The EU? Hardly, fracking is illegal there. Is it the EU forcing lack of rent controls, when it is Germany that gives us the best model in Europe for that? No that was the extremely rich British political class. The EU forces our trains to be shit? Nope, there's good models on the continent. NHS? Nope, good healthcare over there too.

Lack of democracy? There's plenty of good examples of improved democracy in the EU. Alternative voting systems a-plenty. If you go to the Netherlands and Belgium you'll see that ordinary people still become politicians. Where else will you see the oligarchic classes and dynasties of politicians we're seeing emerge, and the disdain for voters' rights - in the bloody US of A. Why the myth of the EU as repressive??

For so long the Govenment have not addresses major issues, Brexit means things change so much who ever is in power will now have to act.

"There are massive issues which need to be sorted! So let's distract everyone including politicians and make them spend time on Brexit for x years! Yay!" Fucking hell.

There are important bills being delayed because of this mess.

And I think what is happening at the moment is democracy in action. MPs should be given time to scrutinise this deal. The real disgrace is that most of the press in this country does not focus on the reality of the deal - it prefers to demonise MPs who are acting democratically.
A cynic might think the press (run by right wing donators to the Tory Party) doesn't want the general public to be properly informed.
The biggest shame for me is that Letwin has said he will vote in favour of the deal once it has been scrutinised. Shame on him.

I am smelling more than a whiff of troll here.. surely no one can genuinely be this stupid? 🙄

Dark - But you see what you want to see. There is nothing in that linked article that says employment rights in the UK will be eroded. It uses words like might. So nothing definite.

mamamia bless your heart

ok Mamamia I'll bite again.
If there was no intention to erode working rights, why remove them from the legally binding Withdrawal Agreement for them to appear in the non-legally binding Political Statement.
Why?
My understanding is that there were something like 125 points in May's deal. Of which 120 remain the same in Johnson's deal. But the commitments to working and consumer rights and environmental standards were some of the few that were removed.
Ask yourself why?
A tory on the Marr show today said that this was to strengthen our rights. But this is bullshit, they didn't need to remove them to strengthen them did they? They could have left them as the minimum and enhanced them.
It is because they want to dis-align this country from the EU, to make us global competitors. And to do that they need to erode our rights. Because we are too expensive if we have holidays, pay, maternity leave, sick leave etc.

@DavetheCat2001 Sadly yes. There are people who voted for Brexit because they thought it would get rid of all the foreigners, or make Britain entirely white. I wish I was joking.

Sadly, Dave, nope, that poster has been here for years.

If there was no intention to erode working rights, why remove them from the legally binding Withdrawal Agreement for them to appear in the non-legally binding Political Statement.
Why?

Exactly. They said it was to pay special attention to them seperately. Special attention my arse.

Sorry unknown I know I'm repeating what you have just said, but it's worth repeating because if anyone thinks it won't happen they are beyond deluded.

... rigidly obtuse too

Oh I'm sure they are planning to pay very special attention to them Rousette.
I can't understand why some posters cannot see what is under their noses.

Dark - But you see what you want to see. There is nothing in that linked article that says employment rights in the UK will be eroded. It uses words like might. So nothing definite.

Have I said this already or did I delete it? I get confused with having to say the same things again and again and getting no answers.

The EU is a known quantity. We know what laws it offers, what protections it offers. We know what trade it gives us. We know what food and medical supplies come from there. We know that outside the EU those will all go.

And there is nothing to replace them mamamia. Why do you think there will be when this Brexit has been engineered specifically to allow competition with places with no food standards, no healthcare for poor people, no employment rights. Where does your faith come from?

Hmm strange that if I am so wrong, we are still looking no deal in the eyes, nose to nose.

How will you get change from our politicians outside the EU mummmy?