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Brexit postponed

654 replies

MarianaMoatedGrange · 19/10/2019 21:08

AIBU to worry that the (almost certain) delay in Brexit will give rise to civil unrest?

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Caselgarcia · 20/10/2019 20:03

Marmite?

mummmy2017 · 20/10/2019 20:03

For so long the Govenment have not addresses major issues, Brexit means things change so much who ever is in power will now have to act.

DarkAtEndOfUk · 20/10/2019 20:04

Why will they have to act?

Hoooo · 20/10/2019 20:05

I just listen to what the Govt and say.

Simple.

Its like trump supporters in the US suddenly realising that the hatred spewed at his rallies and on campaign were not just soundbites....they were actual policy.

Theworldisfullofgs · 20/10/2019 20:06

Steve Bannon is an advocate of generational theory stuff - Strauss and Howe. As well as the baby boomer, gen x, millennial stuff, it talks about the world going in turnings. According to this were in a crisis phase. The last phase was ww2. Our phases started with the financial crisis. Bannon and his acolytes (which include farage and ERG members) have sought to exploit this and make it worse in order to get the crisis to a catalyst point to remake it in a way that suits them. It would not be a country that works for me.

MarshaBradyo · 20/10/2019 20:06

How will it get better? The worse hit will most likely be the ones who bear the brunt of the major issues you mention.

mummmy2017 · 20/10/2019 20:06

Because according to most posters here we are going to hell in a hand cart, so things will have to change, as there will be things to address.

DarkAtEndOfUk · 20/10/2019 20:07

Hooo - Where have you read that all our employment rights will be gone if we leave the EU?

We have all read that the major reason for leaving is to destroy red tape and compete with the US on a race-to-the-bottom basis. The general trend in Britain is for employment rights to diminish. How will that change when there is less money around, lower profitability and we're having to compete with countries that have no food standards and care nothing for the health of their people?

countrygirl99 · 20/10/2019 20:08

livelovebehappy are you including in your condemnation the group outside Wetherspoon s shouting abuse at marchers? By the way we responded with enthusiastic cheers despite not having a police guard. Or the Brexiteers in Parliament Square who were doing their best to incite trouble? If you had come along to watch you would have seen a vast gathering of people who, apart from a small handful, were calm, polite and friendly.

RuffleCrow · 20/10/2019 20:09

You're very unreasonable and also irrational.

Brexit supporters are mainly well heeled, oldish, property owners. Not likely to incite people to go around smashing up their own naice house in Surrey GrinGrin

DarkAtEndOfUk · 20/10/2019 20:09

You do know that in British history not very long ago there were slums, orphans fighting in the gutters for scraps and people dying on the streets, while people travelled past in their gilded carriages and no one gave a flying fennec fox to change it don't you mummmy?

Mamamia456 · 20/10/2019 20:09

Hooo - Was that reply to me. So basically you're saying it's just your opinion and not fact.

Hoooo · 20/10/2019 20:10

mummy

No.

Leaving the EU will mean more austerity, not less.

Start listening to what your favourite politicians are actually saying...what will theor llans to enrich themselves and their cronies affect YOU and your family?

JRM thinks that the rise in food bank use since 2015 is "uplifting"

Farage is on record as daying the nhs will be privatised. As have many on the govt front bench.

Priti patel advocated "starving out" the ROI....I could go on and on...

START LISTENING

Theworldisfullofgs · 20/10/2019 20:10

If Bannon has his way we are going to help in a hand cart. Lots of people are unwittingly helping him.

Hoooo · 20/10/2019 20:11

Nope.

When the ERG talk of doing away with workers protections I listen....

Hoooo · 20/10/2019 20:12

You may want to look at the recent history of Argentina....

Roussette · 20/10/2019 20:12

The rate of food poisoning in the US is huge compared to the UK where EU food standards are strict.

Ten times higher in the US than the UK. Fact.

mummmy2017 · 20/10/2019 20:13

Are you suggesting this will happen to people? That we will end up like 50 years ago?

Mamamia456 · 20/10/2019 20:13

Dark - Do you have a link to this article you say you've read?

Hoooo · 20/10/2019 20:13

You may also want to read up on why Putin and Trump want to destroy the EU bloc...
Tbh anything that Putin or Trump think is s good idea is, pretty much, by default, insane...

MarshaBradyo · 20/10/2019 20:15

Mummy if things get harder after Brexit will you stick around to post?

Not that I want it to get harder for anyone and would be very happy if it didn’t. But if it doesn’t I’d like to hear what you think.

Hoooo · 20/10/2019 20:17

Yes mummy
Thats what 20+ years of the right wing media demonising the poor and disabled and mentally ill does...also see the erosion of womens reproductive rights (especially in the US...)
Amazing what people will agree with if they are told it day after day after day...year after year.
All the daya claarly shows no one gave much of a toss about the EU pre 2016.
But then spamfaced Dave made it a "thing" to appease the loony wing of his own party...and those worst affected by tory austerity decided to give him a kicking...ironic, eh?

theunknownknown · 20/10/2019 20:18

Mamamia456
oh dear.
Once more, de Pfeffel Johnson has removed the workers' rights, consumer rights and environmental standards from the legally binding Withdrawal Agreement and put them into the Political Declaration which is not binding.
Now why would he do that?
Think also about the language used in the referendum campaign 'bonfire of red tape for business'. What do you think red tape meant?
Now, consider the book Brittania Unchained. Three of the authors are members of the current cabinet. This book claimed that British workers were the most idle in the world and that working rights were the equivalent of Japanese knotweed clogging up the arteries of business - what do you think that means?
Given that the tories increased the time limit from one to two years giving employees the right to tribunal for unfair dismissal as well as increasing the fees (until it was judged unlawful) and given that Leadsome, only three years ago called for maternity leave and national minimum wage to be abolished.
Do you really think it is just opinion? Like do you really?
The tories do not inspire confidence in me in their commitment to our working rights.

mummmy2017 · 20/10/2019 20:20

Been here for a few years, i post because I get feed up of being told I had no right to vote.
Had remain won, I would have been sad but accepted it, I am truly shocked at how parliament is acting.

DarkAtEndOfUk · 20/10/2019 20:20

Dark - Do you have a link to this article you say you've read? Oh ffs. Google the Yellowhammer documentation - the Brexiteer, Leave.EU's own government's documentation. Google 'Brexit will make Britain poorer". There's loads out there.
Here's a specific link if you want one BBC Brexit what the deal says about rights