Brexit postponed

[MarianaMoatedGrange]

AIBU to worry that the (almost certain) delay in Brexit will give rise to civil unrest?

mummmy2017 I can understand your frustrations with the housing crisis, lack of employment rights and the rest of it. I'm barely out of the private renting trap myself. But this I know we won't end up like a third world country What do you mean by a 3rd world country - what standard of living are we talking about here? How do you know we won't end up like that? Why do you think things will be improve?

No, of course I know they did. I also know that the only reason Boris Johnson removed the guarantee of our current rights from the legally binding part of the WA, to the non legally binding part, is because he wants to dilute them. If he wanted to improve them, he could have left they where they were. This is all about deregulation. Looking at what we had before EU membership is irrelevant, it’s all about the motives of the current government.

mummy what does that mean 'the view on the street'?

I appreciate that you are invested in your own Brexit dogma, but I am legitimately interested in anyone who would dare to vocalise a new leave vote based on what we now know.

Remain would win.

It's a simple numbers game...lots of older leave voters have died since 2016.

Lots of younger people can now vote and there are plenty of quiet regretful leave voters!

Ok life will never be as bad as 50 years ago, with no benefits.
I don't think you will see workers rights disappear. The US has no paid holidays, we do. We have a minimum wage.
The NHS has to change, care for the elderly needs to change as we will have more retired folk. We will have to train more Doctors and Nurses.
Leaving will force this.

It sounds like mummy would still vote leave

Care for the elderly????
Are you on glue???
Do you not read the right wing press? Lookuo the recent articles on caring for older relatives and who should do it

Yes we do. Now. Of course we are still in the EU....

I wonder who you will blame, mummy, when you are told you need health insurance?
Or that your employer can fire you with no notice, no reason and no redunandcy?
Will that be the EUs fault, too?

I don’t feel sorry for people like mummy2017 at all as they revel in their ignorance (that’s if she’s even genuine which I’m suspect about to be honest).

I’m lucky in that my DH is a different nationality and if it all goes to shit we can leave as I will do what I can to prevent my DC suffering the consequences of Brexit.

However, I love my country and don’t want to see people who didn’t want this to suffer the consequences. I have many friends and family who will have a very hard time if we move to a US style economy. I also feel sorry for minorities who will be used as a scapegoat by the media when the sunny uplands turn out to be stormy ditches.

The widespread false belief in English exceptionalism and celebration of ignorance which the media promote, will be the downfall of this country.

Yep :(

50 years ago would be 1970s. There were benefits then, and no sanctions associated with them, just social stigma. There was council housing.

We're already seeing workers' rights disappear. Not just the big legislation ones like holidays. Little ones like number of breaks allowed, the amount of extra work you have to do for free, the removal of set hours and routines. Have a look at this thread about rights in retail. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3721919-To-turn-down-a-job-after-accepting-because-they-lied-re-hours And leavers are handing the country over to the very same people who are doing this and want worse.

I've given up trying to change your minds, I'm just so incredibly saddened by the enslavement of the working classes, of my people, and the struggle for my own children's future that is to come. What on earth is it that gives you hope that things can improve away from our local trading partner? It's not democracy, in a country where millions of people can march for change or protest and see nothing, again and again and again.

I’m lucky in that my DH is a different nationality and if it all goes to shit we can leave as I will do what I can to prevent my DC suffering the consequences of Brexit.

We had that discussion and have a list of countries which look appealing...

Ok life will never be as bad as 50 years ago, with no benefits.
I don't think you will see workers rights disappear.

Oh God you've really got no clue do you?

I'm not saying those things will happen. But the fact is that nobody ever thinks things can get as bad as they do. Look at Venezuela and Chile (and Argentina). Look at western Europe in WW2. Look at many of the countries of the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

Everyone always thinks it can't happen to them.

The NHS has to change, care for the elderly needs to change as we will have more retired folk. We will have to train more Doctors and Nurses.
Leaving will force this.

I agree with the needs. How will leaving force this??

I don't think you will see workers rights disappear. The US has no paid holidays, we do. We have a minimum wage
Oh dear Mummy2017
Critical thinking is not a strong point is it?
Have you not read any posts at all?
Hasn't poster after poster after poster told you that the reason de Pfeffel Johnson has removed the commitment to working rights from the WA is because he wants to remove our rights.
So you are right in that the USA have very little holidays AND THAT IS WHAT WILL BE PROPOSED HERE.
We have them now because we have to align ourselves with a minimum standard in the EU. Once we are out we won't have to do that.
That is exactly what 'bonfire of red tape' meant during the ref campaign.
For red tape, read working rights.
Lord wept - when I said upthread some people shouldn't be allowed to vote I really meant it.

mummy, I have mentally noted your posts for quite a while now - free from comment.

You strike me as quite a contemptuous human being. Devoid of any of the values I seek in a person.

Why you continue to comment can only be understood by you.

I think people are going to protest whatever happens, but riots caused by shortages are far more likely than riots caused by a Brexit delay. Also, the pro-Brexit protests haven't amounted to much. Remember Farage's 'walk'?

How how how? Always the same. "It'll be better" "it'll work" "Everything will be fine".

It won't. Why should it? What will make it better?

You refuse to accept that people want to go.
That we voted to go, that we are willing to accept what ever happens , that it was not just me, but millions . While you could say a million thought wrongly about what was being said about leaving, your trying to say far more people can't think for themselves, decide and then vote.
This Country and Parliament are all split, your problem is the split went the oppersite way to your views on the vote.

I am tired. but to @theunknownknown and @Roussette

Thank you for your input on this thread.

And @Hoooo and others that make sense.

I accept that people want to go. Fine. I'll hand out cyanide pills if you like. What I absolutely refuse is your right to take me and mine with you.

your problem is the split went the oppersite way to your views on the vote.

My problem is that a select group of privileged people are hell-bent on driving the UK over a cliff!

I know Dark it's infuriating isn't it?
Nothing of any substance just, you know, feelings.
And a sense of it can't happen.
Well it can. And if this man child wins an election we are fucked.

Is this the case of "My life is shit and I will feel better if everyone else's will be too?"

I'm obviously a bit too tired for this tonight. But I would like an answer to the question "How". How will things magically be better? Leavers are forcing this on us and we have the right to ask why.