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To think Upfield Global (Flora marg) can get stuffed for calling mumsnet a hate site?

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Toorahtoorahaye · 11/10/2019 17:01

No more Flora for me, they’ve just announced they’re having nothing to do with the hate site mumsnet. mobile.twitter.com/StopFundingHate/status/1182647264046669824

To think Upfield Global (Flora marg) can get stuffed for calling mumsnet a hate site?
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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/10/2019 14:32

Is that the Justine who was on ‘great lives’??

youllhavehadyourtea · 12/10/2019 14:35

I also liked 'chemicals and sadness'

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/10/2019 14:36

Unicorn tears?

RHTawneyonabus · 12/10/2019 14:42

Surely announcing you are ending association with MN (whose users are middle class and unlikely to be the target audience for your rank product) is basically just free advertising?

Thank you for standIng up for free speech and robust but respectful discussion mumsnet.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/10/2019 14:45

I can’t see the general public backing them though. Bullying a load a mummies in frilly aprons?

Gardai · 12/10/2019 15:13

Flora tastes like shite, they can have their woke moment in the sun.

Butter is best, real butter 👍🏻

HermioneWeasley · 12/10/2019 15:21

Great statement @JustineMumsnet 😘

Campervan69 · 12/10/2019 15:27

@JustineMumsnet wonderful statement. I love mumsnet even more after reading that.

Wine and Cake and Flowers for you all thank you so much for speaking the truth on behalf of women and of freedom of speech. You are all Star Star Star

Campervan69 · 12/10/2019 15:28

And I only ever used Stork for baking so won't be using it any more. They've lost me as a customer over this.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 12/10/2019 15:36

I needed to buy butter/spread today. Flora at £1.50 and anchor at £2.75. I bought anchor.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 12/10/2019 15:43

@Justinemumsnet thank you for not backing down.

familycourtq · 12/10/2019 15:46

Dang! I never bought flora in the past so can't boycott it

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/10/2019 15:47

I use organic butter. Can’t stand marg.

peonyred · 12/10/2019 15:58

Thank you Justine. Excellent comment. Showing backbone is important. Encouraging other organisations to show backbone is also important. I've just emailed the VC of my university to praise him for supporting a well-known academic on his staff who is facing a lot of online abuse for raising sensible questions on gender. If we want free speech, we have to positively encourage it!

Michelleoftheresistance · 12/10/2019 17:41

Bravo Justine ! Grin

Well said.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 12/10/2019 17:44

Susie has the arse with MN, which is quite interesting.

YogaDrone · 12/10/2019 17:52

"Flora tastes like candlewax "- Grin Grin it's funny because it's true Grin

I wouldn't buy it anyway but now they can fuck right off even if they change the taste from candlewax to nectar of the Gods.

Thank you MNHQ and Justine for allowing such an important debate to continue. Flowers

TopBitchoftheWitches · 12/10/2019 18:02

Posted something on twitter, got a load of abuse back. Just for saying women won't back down. 🙄

FeckOffGraham · 12/10/2019 18:10

Flora is boak anyway. I only bought it because it is vegan. I'll stick to coconut oil and olive oil in future. Fuck them sideways.

Great statement from Mumsnet.

Btw, I find it really bloody weird that Mumsnet gets singled out for this. I recently went back to FB and omfg, there is GENUINE transphobia all over the comments sections there on various news articles. And it goes mainly unchallenged. I was genuinely shocked to see it so openly on there.

I've seen some shitty comments on here, directed at all sorts of people, including trans people, but at least it usually gets challenged.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/10/2019 18:27

They only go after women or haven’t you noticed?

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 12/10/2019 18:35

Stop using palm oil Flora.

FizzyIce · 12/10/2019 18:42

Oh bless you, Flora .
Like any of us actually use it Flowers

Whatthingsexactly · 12/10/2019 19:27

The crux of it is is in this part:

We feel it's the right thing to do to facilitate that debate (whilst ensuring it remains respectful) even though some would wish to censor it.

Facilitate debate - yes, MN does that.
Some wish to censor it - also true

“whilst ensuring it remains respectful”
This is where it falls down.

The tone of threads on any topic around trans people is consistently and persistently hostile and prejudiced towards trans people in general. FWR as a board is hostile and prejudiced towards anyone who posts in defence of or arguing from the point of view of trans people.

For an example, see the recent thread in AIBU in which a trans person who the OP said was talking too much about trans issues at work was disparaged, misgendered, and personally insulted numerous times.

Yes, many of the individual posts that explicitly contravened TGs were deleted, but the thread as a it still stands cannot be described truthfully as respectful towards trans people.

This is the sort of thing brands want to distance themselves from.

Then there’s FWR, where recurring themes include threads with hundreds of posts supporting a view that a trans person asking someone to use their preferred pronouns is equivalent to administering a date rape drug.

Or thread full of posters adamant that they will never ever use preferred pronouns for trans people because of some bad things that some trans people have done, and accusing MNHQ of abusive behaviours by expecting posters to adhere to the TGs on that point.

Natsku · 12/10/2019 19:28

Great statement Justine. Thank you mumsnet for not backing down.

Never use marg but OH sometimes buys the flora "cream" by mistake - I shall have to drill it into him not to buy it (and not just because it's shit)

PencilsInSpace · 12/10/2019 19:36

That's a fantastic statement Justine Gin