To think Upfield Global (Flora marg) can get stuffed for calling mumsnet a hate site?

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No more Flora for me, they’ve just announced they’re having nothing to do with the hate site mumsnet. mobile.twitter.com/StopFundingHate/status/1182647264046669824

So explain then. How is Mumsnet exclusive compared to Upfields?

Upfields wants to exclude women concerned about their rights. So they’re not inclusive either are they? Why is Mumsnet not inclusive?

Many on MN will agree and applaud Flora for taking a stand. Many are sick of a minority on here and the bullying/ bombardment/ twisting that goes on so they ignore many of the threads and attempts to push anti trans ideology. They go unrecorded. Some are assuming that a) everybody on MN will be angry at Flora and b) will stop buying their product, if they buy it at all.

There is a fair bit of arrogance on these threads.

So you’re saying small minority groups shouldn’t arrogantly try and push their agenda onto others and try and make them accept their views?

Ok, got it. 👍

Can you give examples of bullying?

Many on MN will agree and applaud Flora for taking a stand. Many are sick of a minority on here and the bullying/ bombardment/ twisting that goes on so they ignore many of the threads and attempts to push anti trans ideology.

Hmm, you'd think the many would take the opportunity to post on this thread wouldn't you? Make their feelings known. Such a perfect opportunity. They'd surely sweep over the "minority" and make this thread their own. Have their say etc. Wonder why they aren't? 🤷‍♀️

Because they always go the same way- piling on, belittling,lecturing, not listening........ It’s tedious.Bullies are clever and will try to get round rules with a variety of tactics, so they do. People don’t bother challenging it or posting . I see another trans threads and move on by, there is no point commenting.

There is a fair bit of arrogance on these threads.

Arrogance now. Add that to 'tone' and undercurrent' and you can't move for incontestable arguments.

What is “anti trans ideology’ please? Is it that people cannot change sex?

Don’t really need to push very hard on that front.

Apparently we do because men say they can the nspcc has only just removed someone from there ranks that masturbated at work they are so fucking woke 🤦‍♀️ let's all tell kids they can change sex because mistakes never happen except when they do

Because they always go the same way- piling on, belittling,lecturing, not listening........ It’s tedious.

But still, you claim there are "many" who feel this way so you'd surely outnumber that nasty "minority" wouldn't you? You and those who agree would be able to swing the threads round wouldn't you? Why doesn't that happen I wonder?

I find it bizarre that the anti trans lot on here who are clearly anti-trans and transphobic at times then take offence at being told they are.
If you are and that’s how you feel - and you’re getting away with it - why get upset about it??
Mumsnet is now well known in LGBT press, and many mainstream outlets, for allowing this anti trans ‘debate’ to flourish. You call it debate, I say much of it is transphobic. I’m tired of trying to argue against it because 1) no-one listens 2) there’s then a massive pile on. So when I, a lesbian, says no-one is trying to make me sleep with trans women against my will ( because it’s not happening) it’s disregarded by a load of straight feminists who insist that the trans ‘lobby’ are trying to make lesbians have sex with a penis.

Here's an example where I felt bullied: thread where me describing my positive experiences the LGBT+ community gets not one, but two people asking me 'Does that mean you'll take a penis, then?'. I felt I had to answer their invasive questions about who I have sex with, instead of talking about the actual topic, and yeah, it stopped me from posting again.

I also thought any lesbian that participated in the thread Supporting our Lesbian Sisters and said postive things about trans people also got bullied.

People on these threads are soooo concerned about lesbians. Unless she's not happy to be used as a stick to beat trans people with, in which case, fuck her.

I'm sure you won't agree that either example is bullying, and know this is a complete waste of my time. Probably I'm going to get asked if I take dick again.

That’s arsey comments and sarcasm. Hardly a brick through the window or death threats. Try twitter for a comparison.

We are all grownups here. And remember some people come on her to agitate.

Aye, I'm a right snowflake, me.

But no trans person I've met in the real life LGBT community, and I've met lots of people over the years and years I've been involved, has made me feel at all uncomfortable.

But Sniv, you must understand that your experience isn't the only experience, surely.

And also, the point that was being made is pivotal. There is a vast difference between saying no one should have sex with someone they don't want to (ie individual choice), and you can legitimately discriminate against an entire sex, because of your orientation.

TRAs will always point out that you don't have to have sex with anyone, because it's a personal preference. But they take great umbrage at people dismissing an entire sex, however they identify, on the basis of their sexual orientation.

Because, again, it all comes down to whether or not you think men are women. And whether or not sexual orientation is based on gender, or sex.

If you are implying that you accept men can be women, the natural question would be does that extend to the bedroom? Because that's the proof of the pudding.

Sniv One person asked that question; a second said she'd like to see your answer. At that point, you had a number of options.

You could have reported the post. You could have told the poster to mind their own business (as most, I think, would have done). You could have ignored the post.

You were asked a question you considered to be invasive. That is not bullying and you don't have to answer.

They go unrecorded. Some are assuming that a) everybody on MN will be angry at Flora and b) will stop buying their product, if they buy it at all

Exactly - I've seen on this thread (or maybe it''s the other one) "mums mainly do the shopping, they won't buy it anymore, why they pissing off their market?"
Errrr..... not all mums are the same.
For all those boycotting, there'll be lots that won't.

I think a lot of people will stop buying their product, not necessarily because they are boycotting it, but because so many people are now discussing the ingredients, thanks to the publicity.

But still, you claim there are "many" who feel this way so you'd surely outnumber that nasty "minority" wouldn't you?
You're in there a lot, you know how it goes. (Ya'd think)
You and those who agree would be able to swing the threads round wouldn't you? Why doesn't that happen I wonder?
Err..... OK

You're in there a lot, you know how it goes. (Ya'd think)

In where? Is this through the Radicalisation Portal?

So not only does Mumsnet have an unchecked “transphobia” problem (which no one can give examples of) it also has a problem with a silent majority who are powerless to stop it and can’t post against it because once you’re in there (where?) “you know how it goes”?

Maybe MNHQ should put one of those button thingys at the top of this thread to see what the numbers are actually like.

In where?

The. Feminism. Board.

Jeez

The feminism board? So the problem is that on FWR, women discuss issues affecting them and it’s impenetrable to those who wish to challenge this rampant “transphobia”?

Here’s the link to FWR. It doesn’t need a special handshake to get in:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights

Why don’t you go and look right now and find a transphobic thread and report back.

Why don’t you go and look right now and find a transphobic thread and report back

Epic

So the problem is that on FWR, women discuss issues affecting them and it’s impenetrable to those who wish to challenge this rampant “transphobia”?
Um.... no, not at all

So no real answers then. Same old same old.

Err..... OK

Epic

Um.... no, not at all

I really appreciate the depth of your thoughtful and considerate responses.