To think Upfield Global (Flora marg) can get stuffed for calling mumsnet a hate site?

[Toorahtoorahaye]

No more Flora for me, they’ve just announced they’re having nothing to do with the hate site mumsnet. mobile.twitter.com/StopFundingHate/status/1182647264046669824

I am an adult female human and I will never buy flora again as it is fake butter.

I must tell me boss...

By boss, you mean DH, yes? You silly nutty woman.

Lifeof333s

You clearly think women’s rights under attack is funny, so I think we will take your advice with your posts:

I think the best way to deal with said bullies is to ignore them. Ignore the threads and posts, just pretend they’re not there however much they bait. They’ll get bored talking to themselves and “volume” caused by a few piling in and starting yet another thread won’t be confused with a common interest or belief.

“Only in the last day I’ve reported several posts for transphobic language, all of which were upheld by MN mod team”

And a different poster was challenged to demonstrate transphobic posts, and said they couldn’t as they had been deleted.

Well, quite. MN mods delete transphobic posts. Transphobia is not permitted.

However MN are staunch advocates for free speech in terms of women and other members discussing things which affect their lives.

So we can only assume that Upfield supports a society in which freedoms are curtailed by state and commerce.

Do they pay full corporation tax, by the way? Are all employees paid Living Wage? How about the palm oil producers that supply their grease? Do they have an ethical trail?

I hope Upfield’s palm oil suppliers are not the ships that have been illegally washing out their tanks in the North Sea and contaminating Norfolk beaches with oil that can be deadly to dogs and has killed at least 3. In 2018 and 9 Palm
Oil illegally released has washed up in Cornwall, the N West (Formby and other places) and the East coast.

The importers of this stuff need investigating.

Is there a Venn diagram of dog lovers and Trans advocates?

Buzzshit:
Why should this person be afforded "respect" when they are entirely lacking it themselves - incessant badgering and inappropriate proselytising is disrespectful to everyone there!

That’s a perfect example.

The OP was clear that the person was well liked, a good co worker, who was talking about trans stuff too much. OP wanted advice on how to handle that in the workplace.

That is not a free ticket to disparage the person being discussed with groundless insults, and to include trans people in general in that.

Flora not wanting to fund hate is not an attack on women’s rights. Utterly ridiculous comment and inflammatory.

Was expecting the posts suggesting fake membership. Rest assured I’ve been a member for many years as I’m sure anybody in MN towers can attest to. The suggestion that anybody agreeing with Flora is obviously a new male fake member is not a surprise.🙄

By boss, you mean DH, yes? You silly nutty woman. that’ll be my female boss. The one who set up and owns the company... I must tell her that she can just give us all the day off the I’ve our nails some...

We are wholly committed to our values which includes treating everyone equally. We feel more could be done to moderate online discussion and tackle discriminatory posts

This is Upfield’s newly mouthed statement. Easy to say but I would be interested to see the detail of the investigation and how the concluded this could be done.

It’s worth asking the question “why are there so many posts about trans issues on a mainstream, female dominated site at the moment (and for the last couple of years)?

Is it because feminist, left leaning women who have traditionally defended minorities including the LGBT community have suddenly come over all facist and exclusionary?

Is it because women, who have traditionally accepted and supported trans women, have suddenly all become rampantly transphobic?

Is it because feminists have suddenly done a massive u turn and decided that gender stereotypes are great and that anyone expressing themselves differently is the actual devil?

Or is there something else going on?

Wonder if they'll take the same view with Twitter quaffy?

that’ll be my female boss. The one who set up and owns the company...

🤯

Well they won’t be enjoying the comments on how horrible their stuff tastes then - on here, Twitter, MoS... oopsy.

I suspect if you google ‘Flora’ by this afternoon there will be links to sewage plants and candle factories.

Flora not wanting to fund hate is not an attack on women’s rights. Utterly ridiculous comment and inflammatory

Advertising with Mumsnet is funding hate? That really is utterly ridiculous and inflammatory.

Yes Smile, apparently Linda Bellos, a black left wing lesbian, has had her brain rotted by transphobia and is in bed (figuratively) with the Christian fundamentalists. There’s no other possible explanation, like maybe she has a point?

Oh no! that can’t be it, she must be a transphobe!

But it is if you give money to a company that spreads hate via forums not policed properly. The bullying tactics and bombardment against the trans community are ignored.

And discrediting posters who disagree as a new parachuting poster is one of many tactics.

I was here back in the Cod days, I find it sad to see the current atmosphere.

If they had a problem with hate they'd disassociate themselves with Twitter. There's no getting round this.

Not not not against trans community - this is merely people shining a light on the trans activists and the bullying techniques used by those with an agenda.

Pointing out that women’s rights are being pushed aside for a minority is being pro women.

Datun and others asking what I meant here:
“And god knows what you mean by There are plenty of real actual mners, not involved in deplatforming, campaigning, banging on windows or other activism. ”

I mean exactly what it says, that the mners who perceive the prevailing trend here on mn, and challenge anti trans posts, and report them, are not activists, not campaigning for deplatforming, not banging on windows and harassing meetings.

Aggressive bullying responses to posts challenging anti trans threads frequently imply or outright state that anyone defending trans people is condoning, supporting or actively involved in that sort of activity.

We’re not.

And already on this thread the usual “gosh, some men pretending to be long term mners are here trying to silence women” has started.

Writing off every challenge to transphobia as motivated by misogyny, silencing women, expecting women to be kind, is the most pathetic defense of prejudice.

You keep telling yourselves and each other that’s where all the pushback is coming from, but you are kidding yourselves.

Plenty of real mners who are not activists or campaigners or men or women haters, just actual real women who have been on mn for years and years, are challenging the transphobia they see every single day on this site.

Vile stuff. Didn't know it was edible.

I’m sure it would be useful for lubricating my sticky wing mirror.

I find it sad to see the current atmosphere

What do you think has caused the upsurge in trans themed threads?

whatthings

You aren’t actually engaging with the point at all, which is that in any view MN tolerates far less transphobia than many other sites who seem to get little or not criticism.

You can try to excuse, defend or rationalise the hostility and prejudice in this site by pointing at things that happen elsewhere, but to maintain that there is respectful and civil discussion is laughable.

I haven’t tried to defend hostility and prejudice. I said I haven’t seen it, but where it does happen I’m not defending it. I don’t know how to be any more clear that my concern is why Mumsnet alone is singled out for it, which as a fairly basic matter of common sense is not the same thing as ‘defending’ it.

The argument that hostility here is justified by bad behaviour of some activists is not going to work with brands who simply do not want to share screen space and eyeballs with posts whose content is demonstrably hostile and prejudiced

Again you have repeated the allegation I am justifying transphobic posts by whataboutery - where have I justified it? Transphobic posts are never ok. My point has been that Upfield are holding MN to a different standard.

Content “demonstrably hostile and prejudiced” - the only post I’ve seen you quote isn’t. Maybe some posts which aren’t deleted are as you describe. I only go on FWR when a thread comes up in active. But there is certainly plenty of useful discussion that isn’t.

Stupid thing is that I expect you and I have similar view on transgender issues - let’s have a respectful discussion moving forward about how we can best co-exist (I think that’s what you’re saying).

Try saying it on twitter though and you’ll be angrily told that you’re transphobic and trans people should not have to debate their right to exist and such nonsense and that’s why it’s such a big deal when one platform which does allow discussions to take place has advertisers pulling out because of complaints from those who are seeking to silence any debate on the issue entirely (see #nodebate)

People aren’t trying to make MN moderate more swiftly or whatever, their game is to have discussion shut down at all in line with their #nodebate stance. If you aren’t concerned about that then you should be.

Flora, my god is that still a thing.?its granny margarine

Flora not wanting to fund hate is not an attack on women’s rights

Likewise Women wanting to protect sex based rights, or mothers having concerns about children who in our heavily stereotyped gendered society are gender non-conforming and offered irreversible medical treatment is not an attack on Trans people.

Some Trans individuals and individual trans allies have been attacked. That is for things like telling women to die in a grease fire (oh the irony) or physically threatening speakers at meetings, not for being Trans.