To think Upfield Global (Flora marg) can get stuffed for calling mumsnet a hate site?

[Toorahtoorahaye]

No more Flora for me, they’ve just announced they’re having nothing to do with the hate site mumsnet. mobile.twitter.com/StopFundingHate/status/1182647264046669824

Smile, you missed at least one off your list

Is it because large number of new lurkers and posters are now finding mn via FWR as a direct result of its reputation and searchability for allowing content to stand that is not permitted elsewhere?

The answer is yes to that one. Boasts about how much new traffic comes to mn via FWR come round regularly, and there have been hundreds of posts from new users who have joined specifically for FWR in its current guise as the home of GC.

Lots of traffic, lots of attention, lots of posts. But try posting against the prevailing wind in FWR, or indeed here on AIBU, and see how fast you get accused of being an incomer with an agenda.

The irony!

I don't suppose anyone doubts there are long term posters here who've very much bought into the trans ideology. After all, today isn't the first day that we've seen posts telling us we're in the wrong for talking about the silencing of women, minimising it and gaslighting. So that's a given really. But this is the internet, people get suspicious of parachuting.

@Quaffy

YY! This is what has made me angry.

I hate transphobia. I will not engage in that shite when it is posted on here. I will report and challenge any transphobic comments on here and I have done, many times in the past.

The point is, transphobia, sadly, exists in the world and it comes out of the woodwork online; especiallyon anonymous forums.

You will always get transphobic people, just like you get racists, sexist, disablists etc online. All you can do is challenge those things intelligently and also moderate / delete posts which are full of hatred. And that is exactly what happens on here. It does not happen on Twitter or FB, even when people say awful, transphobic things, to people who have already said they are trans. WTAF?

For Flora to single out MN because someone told them to(?) is utterly shit.

I am livid, because it is grossly unfair to lump in all MNetters with the few cunts on here who make transphobic hate posts. Seriously, WTAF? Fuming.

Are we all paedophiles too now, because we've had some weird trolls on here fishing for inappropriate stories about children?

FUCK.OFF.

So I’ve either a mouldie who has bought into trans ideology or a parachuting newbie?

Can’t just be a longtime poster sick of seeing the trans phobic bullying on here. Okaaaaay.

I agree feckoffgraham

What Aberhonddu listed.

It will be interesting to hear specifically what's transphobic about that list.

Is it because large number of new lurkers and posters are now finding mn via FWR as a direct result of its reputation and searchability for allowing content to stand that is not permitted elsewhere?

Putting aside the “content not allowed to stand elsewhere” for a moment, if that’s true, it didn’t happen overnight.

Why did the feminists of MN suddenly start posting about trans related issues?

Misgendered is nothing more than correctly sexed.
To force me to say otherwise is legalised gaslighting.

I am not forced to say I believe in God, so why should I be forced to say I believe humans can change sex?

Because it's mean, so far as i can tell.

Fuck flora.

Well done Justine

The only product of theirs I'd ever buy is Stork (real butter all the way for me not oily sludge) but I'll never buy it any. Woke idiots.

I think this site allows incredibly transphobic comments and threads to thrive in the name of 'free speech' in a way they wouldn't with LGB or racist posts so if Flora peeps don't want to advertise here more power to them.
Not that I eat the stuff anyway. It's the one thing that always puts me off about Mumsnet.

Monkeyseesmonkeydoes

Genuine request and not trying to be goady here, but are you able to please link to a thread which you think should've been deleted because it is transphobic? If only so I can then report it to MNHQ.

Good statement @JustineMumsnet. Women are being no-platformed and prevented from debating these important issues affecting children and women. It should really come as no surprise that a company whose main products are pale imitations of butter have come down on the side they have...

Why did the feminists of MN suddenly start posting about trans related issues?

I first started seeing treads on trans issues in about 2013 - because trans related issues, campaigns to change the GRA and self-ID will impact on women's rights. We already have transwomen winning women's awards, competing in women's sports, raping women in prison.

Feminism has fought, for decades, against prescribed gender roles, eg. boy = blue brain and likes trains and climbing trees, girl = pink brain and likes barbies and long hair and dresses. The trans ideology tends to reinforce these very gender roles that feminists are fighting.

Most of us here are parents - and because children in schools are being taught that "you might be a boy, or you might be a girl" and using gender stereotypes to back this up. Of course feminists are going to argue against this!

Also the medicalisation of young children (children as young as 11 being offered puberty blocking drugs) is a serious issue - with various issues including future infertility, not enough room for a child to change their mind, questionable informed consent to such a life changing medical pathway - and these things matter to parents. And this is, above everything else, a parenting website.

euro

Are you implying that trans women are "pale imitations" of women ? Sorry if I have misunderstood your point.

Seeing Caitlyn Jenner win Woman of the Year, a few months after transitioning - pretty insulting to women that.

Seeing Pip Bunce win women's business awards, because Pip presents as a woman one or two days a week - but spends the rest of their life as a man - pretty insulting to business women, who have genuinely fought the glass ceiling and everyday sexism to get there.

These are issues of interest to feminism.

twitter.com/jackappleby/status/1148425600954241024

Yep my 'wtf' moment was when Caitlyn Jenner won 'Woman of the Year'.

It's absolutely a feminist issue. And women are not 'hateful bigots' (yaaaawn) to want to challenge this shite.

Not at all life, you could've just been here 18 months and have chosen today to start handmaidening. Or have a middle range history of it under a different name. Who knows? I'm sure there are posters holding your views whose tenures have been of varied lengths, just as with those of us who understand that this is misogynistic hypocrisy from flora.

I find a lot of things offensive:

• Telling children they are 'born in the wrong body'
• Using Lupron on children, without any real idea of the long term consequences
• Males in women's prisons and refuges
• Threats of violence to women who stand up for their rights (see this week's Twitter # "POV You're a t*rf in my mentions", with activists picturing what type of violence they'd like to inflict on women who don't agree with them)
• Males intimidating women by shouting scum and bashing on windows while women try to discuss their existing sex based rights.

What I find most disturbing is the repeated attempts to shut down legitimate discussion about these issues.
I also think that, after putting the wonderful Miranda Yardley through 10 months of hell, mimmymum is not a sensible person to talk to about trans issues.
Mermaids is the organisation that needs to be investigated. Mumsnet, you are doing great under very difficult circumstances.

FeckOffGraham
euro

Are you implying that trans women are "pale imitations" of women hmm? Sorry if I have misunderstood your point.

Your posting name signals that you're heavily invested in the whole trans issue. I was going to say 'debate', but of course it isn't a debate, since women aren't allowed talk about it. When they try to discuss the impact on women they're doxxed, threatened, shouted down, assaulted, bellowed over - all typical reactions of bullies.

This is just the latest attack on MN for having the gall to allow women to talk among themselves.

Crochet
Misgendered is nothing more than correctly sexed.
To force me to say otherwise is legalised gaslighting.

There you go. Another example of something that reads as prejudiced and hostile, that doesn’t break TGs, and has become normalised as an acceptable usage on mn, especially in FWR.

Posters know they will be deleted if they misgender and someone reports it, so the workaround is to say, for example, “I won’t correctly sex this person, because I’d get deleted”. That is NOT how respectful discussion is conducted.

FWR frequently uses they/them to avoid gendered pronouns - great, a workaround most people can accept. But when a non binary person is discussed, suddenly it’s open season on that, and the use of they/them is an affront with narcissistic intent to erase womanhood. That also is not respectful or civil.

The way that terminology used to describe dangerous and abusive behaviours in the context of domestic violence and abuse is co-opted and misused by GC regulars here is absurd and devalues those terms.

How can MNHQ contend that discussion here is respectful to trans people?

It is not, and it hasn’t been for a long time.

It's not respectful to people who do not agree with your belief system to make them lie.

There you go. Another example of something that reads as prejudiced and hostile

See I disagree.

I find having the mantra "transwomen are women" repeated endlessly to me domineering and hostile.

Your posting name signals that you're heavily invested in the whole trans issue.

Graham is a friend of mine who was winding me up one day, so I made my username "FeckOffGraham". What exactly do you object to about it?

You mention women being shouted down and debate being shut down by threats of doxxing etc. Isn't that exactly what you just did to me? I called out a pp on a mean, sneery post she made (again, sorry euro, if I've misinterpreted) and you go off on one "oh I can tell you're one of THOSE people who blah blah blah". Shutting me down and picking on my 'in-joke' username to add weight to your attempt to shut me up. Charming.

I can't believe this needs saying, but trans people don't necessarily find correct identification of an individual's biological sex to be non-respectful. They're not a hive mind.