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To think Upfield Global (Flora marg) can get stuffed for calling mumsnet a hate site?

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Toorahtoorahaye · 11/10/2019 17:01

No more Flora for me, they’ve just announced they’re having nothing to do with the hate site mumsnet. mobile.twitter.com/StopFundingHate/status/1182647264046669824

To think Upfield Global (Flora marg) can get stuffed for calling mumsnet a hate site?
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AllMumsyWereTheBorrowedClothes · 13/10/2019 00:50

I've had an afternoon away from Mumsnet, and have spent the evening trying to catch up. I'd like to add my thanks to Justine and MNHQ for the statement. The moderating can be quite fierce at times, but it does remove those who overstep fair comment and those who are trying to inflame, or get screen shots as 'evidence' to be used against Mumsnet. All of the posters I regularly read on here, and have learned so much from, have the interests of vulnerable children and women at the heart of their arguments. If they didn't care so much they wouldn't expose themselves to such rancour.

Datun · 13/10/2019 04:04

See, I don't get this argument! "We're all only just women and can't be bad as we've never threatened to kill, rape, incite violence...."

Of the TRAs who gave evidence to Maria Millers initial trans equality committee, one advocates for the immediate release of all trans prisoners and supported Maria MaLachlan being attacked, one has spent their entire career (successfully) advocating for extreme porn to be legalised and to lower the age of participants, one has exposed their penis in public and enjoys underage rape cartoons.

These aren't a few bad apples. These people were specifically consulted over women's rights.

This is about women and identifying the people damaging them.

And god knows what you mean by There are plenty of real actual mners, not involved in deplatforming, campaigning, banging on windows or other activism.

^^ This was TRAs. Actively, violently, trying to prevent women from meeting to discuss their rights - as invited by the government, when they issued a public consultation.

For gods sake, it doesn't get much more ludicrous. Women concerned that their safety will be threatened by self ID, have their safety threatened by pro self ID protesters disagreeing with them.

Women are highlighting the specific behaviour of those intent on violating their boundaries. They are relentlessly targeted because of it. Especially this platform. If you, too, want to silence them, you're part of the problem.

NotBadConsidering · 13/10/2019 05:42

Whatthingsexactly

The tone of threads on any topic around trans people is consistently and persistently hostile and prejudiced towards trans people in general. FWR as a board is hostile and prejudiced towards anyone who posts in defence of or arguing from the point of view of trans people.

And there we have it. It’s the tone.

“I don’t like your tone“. Those discussing things aren’t nice enough. They won’t bow and be cowed by people. They’re not obsequious enough. Just be nice won’t you?

What this means is women are angry, won’t back down and people don’t like it. Well, fuck that for a game of soldiers.

Aberhonddu · 13/10/2019 06:49

I was personally accused by a poster of being very insulting to trans people, the poster tried to flannel their way out of it by saying it was a general you. They had put my name in bold at the beginning of their reply.
I'm using they because I have no idea of the sex of that particular poster. Tequila Pilates could be Male or Female
It's not transphobic to say that human beings cannot change sex.
It's not transphobic to say that men cannot become women.
It's not transphobic to be shit scared and frightened about the erasure of women as a class
It's not transphobic to be terrified about the long term effects of puberty blockers on children.
It's not transphobic to mourn the end of Women's sports as more and more men decide that they don't want to compete with men so they'll just declare themselves women and win every time.
It's not transphobic to be too scared to attend a meeting for women because there will be violent protesters doing their best to stop said meeting.
I think that some people should redefine exactly what they consider to be transphobic.

BelleSausage · 13/10/2019 07:23

Absolutely @NotBadConsidering

What we are really being told is that defending our right to single sex spaces is too unwomanly and forceful.

We should know better and be nice.

We should be nice about our erasure (Shon Faye was so gleeful about it).

We should be nice about the prospect of being assaulted by opportunistic men on our safe spaces.

We should be nice about losing the single sex exemptions that women have fought centuries for.

I mean, what kind of bitches are we not just to offer up our identities and sex based rights to be trashed.

So hateful to not agree to be ‘cis’ and identify with our own oppression and abuse.

Novocastrian · 13/10/2019 07:52

The issue self-ID and woman's spaces is an important discussion and the concerns some women express are absolutely valid, however you really have to blind to not see that this debate on Mumsnet does sometimes veer into transhphobia.

NotBadConsidering · 13/10/2019 08:00

And if does, posts are deleted.

Lifeof333s · 13/10/2019 08:20

whatthingsexactly

I just wanted to say well done for your posts which sum up my views exactly.I’ve been a MNer for many, many years and have been appalled by the transphobia and bullying as regards this subject that is now all over the site.

I’m really shocked and disappointed with Justine’s statement. I’ve previously admired what she has to say when making comments but not as regards this. I think she’s wrong and most certainly not showing any backbone, quite the reverse.I’m starting to see why it is now such a problem on here.

And it’s the barging into threads that have nothing to do with trans issues and attempting to turn them into yet another trans bashing thread I have particular issues with. Same old posters starting yet another thread on the same subject. That will account for much of the so called “volume”. That and the bullies piling in, inflaming, shutting down over and again.

I think the best way to deal with said bullies is to ignore them. Ignore the threads and posts, just pretend they’re not there however much they bait. They’ll get bored talking to themselves and “volume” caused by a few piling in and starting yet another thread won’t be confused with a common interest or belief.

I know bullying when I see it. Bullies are clever.

Lifeof333s · 13/10/2019 08:22

And as for being a woman to excuse such behaviour.Hmm

FeckOffGraham · 13/10/2019 08:28

07:52 Novocastrian

The issue self-ID and woman's spaces is an important discussion and the concerns some women express are absolutely valid, however you really have to blind to not see that this debate on Mumsnet does sometimes veer into transhphobia

No, some posters sometimes veer into transphobia. I hate it, but at least on here I have never seen it go unchallenged. I went back to fb recently and I was genuinely shocked, having come from MN, the alleged hotbed of transphobia, to see what some people said about trans (NOT friends of mine I have to emphasise. I mean strangers on new article comment sections). Often people using the bible or God as an argument; something you never see on MN. Mostly, this goes unchallenged. No trans activists coming out of the woodwork to issue death threats etc. Eventually someone might say "no, that's offensive" or something equally terrifying. On the religious ones, someone might point out that Jesus preached tolerance. Nothing terrible. No demands to boycott fb etc. And these transphobic comments come from all sorts of people. Many are from women, so it's not that they only go after women.

So, why does MN have this reputation? I really don't understand it, based on what I've seen elsewhere online.

I actually think MNHQ does a much better job of moderating the content posted on here than anywhere else I go online. So it seems grossly unfair to target MN. Some posters on here are transphobic and some just want to have a debate. Others don't care and SOME ARE TRANS THEMSELVES. We are not one homogenous mass.

So fuck you Flora and your crap, candle wax 🖕🤢.

emilybrontescorsett · 13/10/2019 08:29

I don’t buy Flora and certainly won’t be from now on.
I’ll also gladly boycott any other products they make.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/10/2019 08:31

If anyone has any in the fridge... Jiffy bag and RTS?

Grimbles · 13/10/2019 08:36

Used MN for years and years, only 2 posts (both on this particular thread) telling off women.

Aye, right mate.

Toorahtoorahaye · 13/10/2019 08:39

The issue self-ID and woman's spaces is an important discussion and the concerns some women express are absolutely valid,

But this will be considered terfy and transphobic by many

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Onacleardayyoucansee · 13/10/2019 08:54

YANBU
Boycott

nolongersurprised · 13/10/2019 09:01

So, why does MN have this reputation? I really don't understand it, based on what I've seen elsewhere online.

I think it’s because the concerns raised on mumsnet - loss of women’s spaces, men competing in women’s sports, puberty blockers for children - are well-reasoned and intelligently expressed and thus might actually change people’s minds.

Much better to tell everyone that mumsnet is a hotbed of vicious transphobia in the hope that people avoid it. Whereas people calling each other names on twitter, Facebook, Reddit etc aren’t usually discussing issues, just point-scoring and name-calling.

It’s the debate on mumsnet that’s threatening.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/10/2019 09:11

So-called easy target. They go for what is perceived to be the weak gazelle in the herd. 🙄

They wouldn’t try to pick a spat with any of the so called ‘free speech’ platforms because some of them have ‘big scary guys’ spouting death threats and absolute hate. And there is a risk of some crazy turning up on your doorstep.

Women debating is A Very Bad Thing but seen as a softer target...

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/10/2019 09:16

I just came to say that! Of course there are some ‘men’ bitching about us being a load of unemployed layabouts with nothing better to do. I must tell me boss...

SesameOil · 13/10/2019 09:17

So, why does MN have this reputation? I really don't understand it, based on what I've seen elsewhere online.

Vagina people saying things.

madcatladyforever · 13/10/2019 09:19

I wouldn't touch that plastic shite anyway especially now they've declared war on actual women's rights.
Only real butter will do for me. Not fake butter.

Lowlandlucky · 13/10/2019 09:24

Flora ! as many chemicals as a pot of paint

Lifeof333s · 13/10/2019 09:24

Declared war on women’s rights.😂

SesameOil · 13/10/2019 09:26

I wonder how many posts we can expect from people claiming to have been on MN for years who are only now wandering into the fray to police us, and whose keks are visibly smoking?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 13/10/2019 09:26

I have a right not to buy crap. Boooo.

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