I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

[TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies]

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

@Lolohboy

Thank you. I will read what they have to say. But at a first glance I have to say that it looks like an organisation that is financed by the meat and dairy industry. Just take a look at the partners list. Most of the organisations make their living from promoting animal agriculture. It is in their interest to make a case for sustainable animal abuse, sorry, agriculture.

@Lolohboy

Yes underdone, lots of evidence, hence my conclusions!*

Yet you can't post a single link, to a single article (not sponsored by the meat and dairy industry). Literally NO evidence. NONE.*

@Underdone I was concerned by the sponsors of the sustainable food trust too, always concerned about an interest group funding research - be it the vegans or the meat and dairy farmers.

Whats the point of posting a single 'link' when im talking about 20yrs of research? I've given you the mechanism, explained why. We can play link swapsies til doomsday - been there, done that, ad nauseum. Fruitless. Like I say, you're free to disregard what I say, it's nothing to me, I'm not funded by anybody to say anything, so...

As for funding, anti livestock studies are funded by a raft of vested interests (not even veganism, just simple profiteering). The EATlancet report, since widely ridiculed, being a fab example.

That's why I don't rely on studies. That's why I gave you the story behind the stat wrangling.

@underdone...every single patient at my dsd specialist eating disorder unit went down this path.
Orthorexia was first written about in 1997
It is going to be classified next year as a recognised mental health disorder.

There is plenty of anecdotal and qualitative evidence to support the increase in Orthorexia with the increased social media messages around food needing to be "clean" or that vegan diets are better for you.

I never said a vegan diet is unhealthy I just said a balance in the endless promotional programmes on both TV and radio would be appropriate.

Well I for one am loving it, been 3 months vegan (well plant based) now. “how not to die” and watched “what the health” and that was me. The evidence is there and is clear, plant based eating is better for us. Full stop. After looking at all the evidence the desire has disappeared. I will never ever eat meat or dairy again, doing this solely for health reasons, so yes I still have leather handbags, shoes and don’t really concern myself with were cosmetics come from.

Its all a huge scam, meat and dairy is proven to cause our major killers inc cancer and heart disease... it’s fucking mind blowing when you start looking into it.

Re the vegan pregnancy. I just have iodised salt but iodine can be found in normal pregnacare vitamins which I think most people take.

I don’t preach to anyone, my children aren’t really enjoying the transition but adapting slowly. Apart from them very few people know about it.

And as slaughter is preferable than dying of old age for a cow, get a fucking grip, have your ever looked at what goes on in a slaughter house?

@rainingallday

Jeremy Clarkson actually asked her she didn't volunteer the information.

You have a massive chip on your shoulder about your pals, which I'm guessing stems from your owns doubts on the whole thing

When you think of humans drinking cows milk it's all abit mad, does any other species drink the milk of another? And which other species drinks milk past weaning? Saw this recently and thought they hit the nail on the head

Thorswife I totally agree with you. Most people would be disgusted if you asked if they wanted human milk in their tea but readily have cows milk. It’s so weird.
(I’m not a vegan but think the idea of eating milk and eggs is weird)

And as slaughter is preferable than dying of old age for a cow It really is preferable.

thorswife
When you think of humans drinking cows milk it's all abit mad, does any other species drink the milk of another?

Yes, hedgehogs. They will suckle from a cow if it is lying down, then cling to the udder if it stands up. Vets know this: they get called out to stitch up the damage.

Most adult mammals cannot suckle, but hedgehogs like humans can.

Mmm ok... surely not a common thing? Hedgehogs are actually lactose intolerant and whilst they do this it is probably due to starvation rather than nature( they cannot actually digest cows milk.

I was simply answering the question about any other species than ours drinking the milk of another. Hedgehogs do. It may be very bad for them but they do it anyway. Well, not so much these days when cows are kept in hedgehog-proof prisons and never allowed out in the fields, but it used to be well-known to country vets.

They almost certainly can't digest battery-acid either, but more than one has apparently been seen licking at it. Hedgehogs are thoroughly strange.

Some of the corn and soy products are GMO and can cause cancer, so I don't eat them, I don't like the taste of them either.

I like meat and no one is going to make me feel bad for eating it.

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe Everybody should be able to find something appealing on a menu that fits in with their lifestyle.

Absolutely. Problem is, most places are trading in their vegetarian options on menus for vegan... Well what about us veggies who have no desire to eat vegan? Most veggie burgers are now vegan burgers with "cheeze" on - I want bloody cheese!!!!!

@VeganVeganVegan www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2019/08/23/vegan-mum-left-baby-severely-malnourished-meat-free-diet-spared-jail-10617559/amp/

As a 7 year vegan myself, I can see most of your points. But veganism is meant to be ethical choice, therfore the meat trade is fucked up in so many ways, I choose eat things that aren't murdered for human use, not only do we not eat, we don't use animal tested products either... I've always been concerned regarding medications, as all? Have been tested on animals. Makeup even. However I don't intend to be a pushy vegan whatsoever, I wouldn't look at people in disgust as they tuck into their meal for example however many would and do! Which is disgusting.

As for the cow situation, I do believe artificially insemination is the correct term, which surely if humans hadn't made farms or production of meat then they'd have free choice to reproduce on there terms. Giving animals emotions and rights is the same as human rights... We are but an animal ourselves.

But wouldn't it be bizzare to see a human physically suckle on a cow, or any other mammal... Hmmm.

Hey, I think you're absolutely correct regarding eating disorders and veganism, as I have suffered from both anorexia age 11 and bulimia currently

YABU

I find your post offensive tbh, as a vegan.

If you spent time in farms and slaughterhouses seeing these being suffering, I can assure you, you would be talking about it too.

It's really easy to make fun of those who are leading compassionate lifestyle, and doing so says a lot about your character.

Personally I am so fed up of animal abuse.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime the hedgehog thing?! Really?!!! I shall squirrel that away in my pub quiz memory bank. Amazing.

Hedgehogs deliberately baffle the scientists, I swear. My favourite thing I've found about them comes from a report on a bit of research they were doing somewhere in the sixties some time, goodness knows why or for what (which is a way to say "I can't remember"). It involved getting a large sample of hedgehogs and, among other tests or their reactions to things, putting them down on a flat featureless floor facing a blank featureless wall and watching what they did. The report said in part, "Some hedgehogs when placed facing the wall ran invariably to the left. Some hedgehogs when placed facing the wall ran invariably to the right. Some hedgehogs when placed facing the wall ran indiscriminately to either direction. One hedgehog when placed facing the wall turned directly away from it, gave this researcher what I can only describe as a withering look, and walked directly towards me."

They also waltz, though you won't find it on the internet. It is the name given to a sort of dance hedgehogs have been observed doing, either alone or in groups: they walk solemnly in a circles of varying size depending how they feel that day (well, nobody has found any other explanation for any of it), either clockwise or anti-clockwise apparently at whim, stopping every so often to spin on their own axis either clockwise or anti-clockwise (not always the same way for each hedgehog, or all in a group) before continuing in the direction they were going before. They do this for some minutes, sometimes over half an hour, before moving away.

And some hedgehogs have been found to be immune to snake venom.

I tell you, they are weird! and noisy, omigod noisy.

You don't meet many vegans, even today, but I tell you something I've never met: someone who isn't strictly vegan, but just won't eat something if it might mean an animal could suffer.

Thinking logically, I'd expect there to be loads more such people than full-on ideological vegans, but there are none!

The sort of behaviour I'd expect from these highly intelligent mythical creatures is:

• if some meat is going to be thrown away if they don't eat it, then they will - no harm done
• if a neighbour offers some eggs from their very happy garden chickens, they will take them happily
• will happily eat ethically produced honey etc, etc

@MrsBethel There are many such people. I know lots of people who have varying degrees of conscience about animal abuse and I'm sure would do more if it was more mainstream and easier. People, for example, who are against wearing fur, or eating veal, or foie gras. Yet they still happily drink milk and eat meat. (30 years ago it would not have occured to most people there was anything wrong with these things).

You might not meet many people who claim to be vegan but most people are against animal abuse. It's just a question of degree. Very few people can claim to live an entirely vegan life (myself included - it is a daily aspiration rather than a destination) but it is getting easier. Having the choice to lead a compassionate life has got to be a great thing. That's why we need more vegan twattery. Not less.