I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

[TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies]

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

When I was a meat eater I never ate oily fish. The only fish I ate was tinned tuna and fish fingers, neither of which provide omega 3. Nobody gave a shit about my lack of omega 3 then though. Funny that.

Just had a Google and apparently kidney beans contain omega 3. Who knew? 🤷‍♀️

meat eating (omnivore) is the default human diet, it's the norm and has been throughout history

I mean, rape and slavery were the norm throughout history, and probably led to a lot of good people being born and lots of nice buildings and roads being built. Still wouldn't advocate it nowadays though, would you? Times change and people learn to behave better. Just because awful things were the norm/may have had some good outcomes, doesn't mean we should just carry on.

You know, I suddenly sympathise with the meat-eaters; being told that they need to learn to behave better is pretty offensive to them. And that eating meat is awful, on a par with rape and slavery. That's a pretty blanket condemnation, isn't it.

(I thought it was meant to be the nasty meat-eaters who were claimed to be unpleasant about other people's eating habits, not the nice vegans?)

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime
I don't see anyone saying that?

Quote before yours stated;

"Just because awful things were the norm/may have had some good outcomes, doesn't mean we should just carry on."

Definitely a valid point I'd say. There's no way anyone can really argue that what we do routinely to animals in food production isn't 'awful'. Just look into it. Dairy for starters.

If there's nothing to worry about why don't you get farmers sharing slaughterhouse footage or films of when they take the newborn calves from the mothers. It is awful, unfortunately. I wish it wasn't that way.

And that eating meat is awful, on a par with rape and slavery. That's a pretty blanket condemnation, isn't it.

I didn't say that, don't be obtuse. I was rebutting the point that "something is a norm & was done in history, means it is good and we should carry on" with 2 counter-examples.

Ah, you didn't see "Times change and people learn to behave better", Clayplease. I can see how that would offend someone it was aimed at.

I think perhaps being a little careful about comparisons with historical matters might be an idea, rather than throwing them about in a casual way and without any view of how they might be perceived. Any time now we get comparisons with very recent history, and Godwin's Law comes into play. (Incidentally, Hitler doesn't actually seem to have become a vegetarian until after he had started slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people, before anyone mentions that old chestnut.)

As a matter of interest, where could anyone possibly get the idea that slavery or rape are historical matters, not being done every day right now in the twenty-first century?

As a matter of interest, where could anyone possibly get the idea that slavery or rape are historical matters, not being done every day right now in the twenty-first century?

They're not historical, just like eating meat, but not many people nowadays would try to excuse them by saying "But we've always done it, therefore it's still OK!" like they do with meat.

My point was that "we've always done it = we can do it now" is a completely invalid argument.

There I agree; I just think that your point was made in a way which could clearly be taken as offensive by meat-eaters.

NB, I didn't say I personally care one way or the other what you say or what comparisons you make; I don't. I don't tell you what to eat, after all; why should I care about anyone else telling me what to eat? (Unless they were in a position of power over me, in which case I would object very strongly.)

Just out of interest? 🤣. These 'mouthy vegans' of whom you speak? They don't exist do they?

Now i live rural, rarely. Thankfully

But in the city, too often, they are like the bible bashers at shop doors or in shopping center walk ways.
Fun fact, these sorts of morons were actually banned from our citys shopping mall, due to harassment of the public.
Now to set up in the mall, you need to apply and be approved by a board lmao

@squeekums

Does this really happen? I've lived in cities constantly for the past 32 years and it has literally never happened that anyone has even talked to me about veganism, let alone in a 'mouthy' way?

Obv this is just my experience. But if you are talking out against oppression I can understand why people would want to inform people? If they keep quiet how are things to change?

Just to reiterate that not all vegan cakes are crap...I made a lemon drizzle cake last Sunday & took it into work. At least 3 people asked me to make it again for Thursday. And it disappeared in record time.

I had the vegan chocolate cookie in Costa today. It was really nice. I think vegan baked goods are improving all the time.

I’m avoiding all dairy at the moment. I have sinus issues and finding dairy is making it worse.

As a meat eater who has no real plans to ever become veggie or vegan, out of habit and preference, but who drinks oat milk (lactose intolerant OH), and has taken to eating LESS meat broadly (because expensive and bad for environment), I think YABU.

Why is it a bad thing that people have more choice? I don't listen to the 'rape' preaching but it's true that the meat industry isn't great for the environment, so anything that gives people more choice AND makes it easier for them to reduce their meat consumption is good, surely? I don't really see how it affects you if someone eats a plant-based burger.

The Costa vegan cookie is heavenly .

Completely agree with you honey . I’m also a meat eater,- albeit rarely these days. I have incorporated things like oat milk in to my diet, and eat plenty of delicious food, some of which just happens to be vegan.
I’m baffled by the defensiveness of some of the posters on these threads.
It’s like someone is holding them down and forcing a veggie burger down their throat😀

Speaking of veggie burgers, tried the Sainsbury’s plant burgers (pack of two frozen) recently.Really really tasty and great value too.

I'm a meat eater, but, as I only discovered yesterday, eating meat is the biggest single cause of climate change. Animals are very inefficient converters of grain to food. They only provide 18% of all the protein that we eat, yet 80% of all farmland is devoted to meat production. This has also changed the landscape and resulted in significant deforestation. So, forget flights and commuting, veganism is actually the way fwd, unless govts finally started to do something about population control. So, hats off to vegans! Veganism makes more sense than vegetarianism to me. You cannot have dairy without being responsible for the slaughter of 50% of the offspring. And it is extremely distressing for calves to be taken off their mothers. I know because my extended family are all farmers and I have witnessed it many a time. Now, if only I had more willpower, I would go vegan (better for the environment, kinder and healthier). But I have decided to become a part time vegan and at least cut/halve my meat/dairy input.

Good for you @CorBlimeyGovenor! You won't regret it. I feel healthier than I ever have since going vegan. (My IBS and sinusitus disappeared.) Even part time vegan eating is a great thing to do ❤️

And vegans don't eat butter. Wtf

@CorBlimeyGovenor we are cutting down our meat eating significantly too - mostly weekends only now. My experience of veggie/vegan food in restaurants in the past has not been great - often dull, unimaginative repetitive options, how brilliant if this has improved.

YANBU.

YANBU

Sorry posted twice. Don't know what's going on!

@TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies

YANBU!

I am ALSO pig sick of veganism, and people prattling on about it. I am sick of faux vegans preaching to everyone about it, when snaffling a cheeky cheese sandwich on the side, and genuine vegans thinking they are better than meat eaters.

Romesh Ranganathan is one person who springs to mind. He did some boring speech about veganism a little while back, and said 'you know why we vegans think we're better than you meat eaters? Because we are?'

I used to like him before that, but now I think he's an arsehole.

On a particular quiz show last week, a woman came on, and started talking to the host before he started her questions, and the first thing she said is that she's a vegan. I mean, SERIOUSLY?! How many non-vegans/non-vegetarians would go on TV and say 'I am a meat eater!' before they say anything else?! Reminds me of that saying 'First rule of Vegan Club, is that everyone talks about Vegan Club.'

One last thing that grates on me more than I can say. Me and DH know 2 couples who are vegans. So 4 people in total.

We socialise with these two couples, and visit their house every couple of months - so we go to a totally vegan household once a month roughly, sometimes for a meal, sometimes for just a coffee.

Each couple comes to ours roughly once every month too. (So we have a vegan couple around once a month IYSWIM.)

On every occasion, we go all out to cater to them, buy (expensive) vegan foodstuffs in, soy milk, special dessert for them, and actually make a great deal of effort to cook a meal for them, according to their dietary requirements. It takes a lot of time and effort and quite a bit of extra cost. We don't eat this food that they require, but we get it in and cook it (as well as our own food/drink,) because we are courteous, and thoughtful, and we cater to our guests.

They never EVER cater to our requirements. Never bother to grab a carton of cows milk for us, (so we are left with the vile soy milk,) never have any nice biscuits or a bit of cake to offer us, and always give us their vegan food. EG, dry nut roast, and a plate of veg, and a bowl of mixed fruit for dessert. Or some vile fake sausages, or fake chicken that's like eating a piece of leather.

And don't say 'you can eat what they eat, but they can't eat what YOU eat' or some shit like that, because it wouldn't hurt them to get a couple of ready meals in from Sainsburys or Morrisons and stick them in the oven or microwave, and get a microwave pudding for us with a jug of custard made from a packet (with custard powder and water...)

So rude. And so unwelcoming. Especially when we bend over backwards to accommodate THEIR choice of diet/food, and spend a load of money we wouldn't usually spend. It's like their food choices are so much more valid than ours.

If someone makes the excuse that they don't want to be associated at ALL with meat, and refuse to buy the ready meals, and even handle them, then me and DH will bring our own food and stick it in the microwave (or oven) ourselves! I even take my own biscuits and coffee mate when I go to their house now, so I can have a little bit of something decent, and not the tasteless shit they give me.

Yep, I will be bloody glad when this Veganism fad is all over. And it will be. As a pp said on page 1 of the thread; it's very difficult to keep it up for life.