I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

[TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies]

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

Meat dishes will not go, because they sell as majority of people eat it. So only other option is to adapt veggie dishes. I get why vegetarians are not pleased though... I had vegan cheese pizza and it was odd cheese

I'm one of the non-happy ones. I'll happily eat vegan food if it is good food and cooked well and also fills my basic nutritional needs. But the vegan stuff that is on most menus simply isn't any of the above. The worst offenders are places that have no idea about protein and so I have to fill up after dinner or wake up hungry. Usually, we pass by the gastro-pubs with their processed vegan crap and mushroom burgers with oiled Meditteranean veggies and go instead to Indian, Italian, Thai etc. places where I can mostly be assured of a good feed (and in the Indian places this will often be vegan too). Of late though even a few Italian places are swapping vegetarian dishes for vegan ones - usually pasta with chili flavoured oil and a few veggies and a tomato pasta. Not filling!

Underdone, I accept your apology.

The worst offenders are places that have no idea about protein and so I have to fill up after dinner or wake up hungry.

I think this too when we go out to eat at some places! Surely carbs + veg ≠ balanced meal. I'm far from vegan, but do eat veggie or vegan a few times a week (and I love me some processed soy protein, soz) and can't help thinking this is a bum deal for vegans. What's wrong with subbing tofu or Quorn or pulses for meat and leaving out the dairy?

You need to have a balanced meal, for every meal.

This thread is mainly the daft sort of vegans congratulating themselves and each other on how much better they are, than us 'carnists'

Enjoy your whipped protein flown from Malaysia. I'm about to put on chicken tagine. My brother killed it yesterday a few hundred yards away

*You don't, sorry

Shame on me for not being a more annoying vegan

No, its a shame some feel its their right to berate people for eating meat and dairy.
The kind of vegan your supposedly ashamed of not being is the kind of vegan that gets on peoples nerves, that poeple hate, not from guilt but simply they are annoying, like yappy dogs who dont know when to shut up and leave people alone

I don't like meat eaters who refuse to see the truth about what they are eating. I think the reason they get
so angry at vegans, is they know they (the vegans) are right. Seriously, supporting industries that breed animals to be slaughtered & sold as food... how arrogant to think that's ok. The animals suffer, why? So someone can eat a fucking burger??

blah blah blah your the type i ignore. I dont think your right or feel guilt. Im a human, we eat meat and plants. For the majority being vegan is a wanky lifestyle choice and nothing more.
If you approach me eating my burger to tell me what an awful human i am, i will be angry. im eating, not awful
If you come up to me shopping and berate me for buying meat, i will be angry
What i consume is none of your business. This is where people get angry, vegans thinking they have a right to demand others eat as they do, screw that, i enjoy flavour

That's funny tumble I've had an entirely different view of this thread. It shouldn't be an us and them scenario but I think the meat eaters have come off far worse than the vegans.

Yes there have been a couple of preachy vegans but they've been in the minority. But seriously guys - PREACHING/SHOUTING/GENERALLY HARASSING PEOPLE DOESN'T WORK. It just pisses people off-and pissed off people are far less likely to listen.

But some of you meat eaters are just as goady. Let's all keep it friendly eh?

My husband is pescatarian but loves that there are so many more meat free choices!

@squeekums

"blah blah blah your the type i ignore." It looks more like you're responding point by point!

Cognitive dissonance is an interesting concept. I certainly used to think I could love animals and simultaneously kill them/ pay for them to be killed.

It looks more like you're responding point by point!

haha touché!

@JinglingHellsBells
There is also evidence that plants feel pain just as animals do.
Could you link to it please?

@MyGhastIsFlabbered

My previous post wasn't directed at you, I think you might have misread? I'm also a vegan. I was being sarcastic about some of the ignorance in this thread.

Although it's probably telling that some of the stuff meat eaters are saying here is so nuts that it's become indistinguishable from satire.

Oops my bad.

Trouble is, some of the omnis on this thread have actually said pretty much that. And I've heard it way too many times.

Yes, it's this "perfect or nothing" bullshit. We could literally be doing everything we can and some omni is always going to pop up and say "Yeah but you accidentally stood on an ant once so all vegans are hypocrites and that means I can eat endless bacon guilt free". Because that's basically what it seems to boil down to.

Regarding plants feeling pain the only thing I recall is research which showed that in a forest, strong mature trees help direct nutrients to struggling trees through a inter-connection of roots, sort of Avatar Film style. This seemed to be intentional.

I may not be summarising correctly though, I'll see if I can find it. I never read it directly sort of while looking for something else.

interesting article here

You do realise that actual real meat looks nothing like a sausage or a burger. Why do you need your meat in shapes that look nothing like animal joints?

I know...those waiting to pounce at vegans with petty examples of their hypocrisy are the worst. Everyone’s a hypocrite about something. No one is perfect, we’re all busy, we all cut corners somewhere. That anyone makes a small change in some way to the better good is not something to fucking peck at.

I’m sick of it as a vege as I don’t want to eat plastic cheese and I can’t get a vegetarian meal anywhere now it’s either vegan or meat

Veganism is veganism whether healthy food or not...

The whole argument 'why eat something that's mimicking something you don't want to eat' is stupid tbh... many vegans love the taste of meat but just don't want to kill things for it. So they eat meat-like products which are cruelty free. I don't see why people have a problem with that? Should tofu be banned too?

And I'm a meat eater

I'm also a long-term vegetarian who is sick and tired of what used to be a lovely range of restaurant/'eating out' veggie meals being reduced to vegan only. Often there's zero protein in these meals--they are just starchy white stuff with (if you are lucky) a few veg. Gone are the nice cheese dishes and meals with cream, butter, eggs, etc. I have pretty much given up eating out as a result.

Honestly where are these places that don't have any cheesy/eggy dishes? I've always seen a range of vegetarian dishes except for exclusively vegan places.

There seem to be an awful lot of meat eaters on this thread who only eat locally sourced grass fed organic meat, dairy and eggs, and only eat British fruit and vegetables, and have never ever ever eaten an avocado or an almond.

It's a real shame that debates like this descend into total straw man arguments.

I'm vegan (there, I announced it). I try to eat British seasonal produce. I grow as much as I can on my allotment (and no, I don't use animal fertilizer), but I fully accept I'm not perfect. I use petrol in my car. I take medicine as required. I sometimes slip up and eat something non-vegan accidentally. I don't beat myself up about it. I'm a human just trying my best to be a good person. I've read a lot and I can't see a well developed argument against veganism. That's my researched opinion.

It just seems impossible to have a calm and rational debate about it without it descending into whataboutery and gross misrepresentation (on both sides)