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I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

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TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies · 30/09/2019 20:48

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

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MyGhastIsFlabbered · 01/10/2019 20:44

NEWS FLASH: not all vegans have the same motives for being vegan. We're not all the same.

It's not that hard to understand is it?

dairymilkmonster · 01/10/2019 20:50

Lots of vegans round here. Veganism is fine as long as

  • you take supplements (I treated a 19yr old with irreversible nerve damage leading to being wheelchair bound permanently due to vitamin deficiencies)
  • you don't keep putting others down for not being vegan
Latter goes for a lot of lifestyle choices actually.
QuimJongUn · 01/10/2019 20:57

Never in all my life will I understand why anybody else's food choices bother people so much.

At least vegans don't eat corpses, but hey, if you like eating dead things you crack on! None of my beeswax Smile

MadeleineMaxwell · 01/10/2019 20:59

Eh, none of you lot know you're born. I'm catering for a gluten-free vegan this weekend. Now that's tough Grin

(Tofu curry, rice, Bombay potatoes and chickpea dahl, in case you were wondering. Fucked if I can find a decent GF-V pud though.)

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 01/10/2019 21:00

At least vegans don't eat corpses, but hey, if you like eating dead things you crack on!

Oh shit, I didn't realise that when I was eating meat I was eating a 'corpse' and a 'dead thing' - you have totally convinced me to go vegan!

MmmBlowholes · 01/10/2019 21:03

I see the OP didn't come back to acknowledge the results of her goady post.

QuimJongUn · 01/10/2019 21:05

@MadeleineMaxwell www.rhiansrecipes.com/gluten-free-vegan-chocolate-torte/

QuimJongUn · 01/10/2019 21:05

Posted too soon! That torte is lovely, can 100% recommend.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 01/10/2019 21:07

thecatneuterer, no, a minute's reflection doesn't enlighten me any further. I'm an omnivore, I wouldn't ever eat fois gras. If there was a goose-friendly version of it, I still wouldn't eat it. To me it's deplorable as a practice so I won't have any part of that.

That's why the faux-meat product doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't matter what I think and it doesn't matter what you personally do. If I were vegetarian/vegan I wouldn't be eating faux products because it wouldn't make sense to me personally. It's not a judgement on your or anybody else.

MadeleineMaxwell · 01/10/2019 21:14

Cheers @QuimJongUn I'll give it a whirl!

amoobaa · 01/10/2019 21:18

@MyGhastIsFlabbered 👋 no, that wasn’t aimed at you- it was in response to an earlier comment someone made about how we should ‘live and let live’ (which I thought was ironic, given the fact that their dinner specifically involves paying for the death of an animal, rather than ‘letting it live’).

Thank you for all your posts. I ended up losing patience trying to compose a response... it was good to see you had already articulately covered the points I wanted to make (and more).

I have spent years working with murderers in secure psychiatric facilities. I understand the psychology behind acts of cruelty. I understand the complex dissociative capacity of the human mind. But it never ceases to horrify me, when large numbers of ‘normal’ people re-brand unnecessary suffering inflicted on the defenceless, as something other than what it is. Then to add insult to injury, whinge about how vegans make them feel uncomfortable.

As you say, it’s not a phase, it called progress.

The suffragettes didn’t achieve the right for women to vote by quietly and apologetically whispering their views into a kitchen sink. They were ridiculed and punished, put in prison, had their children taken away from them. They were considered dangerously (inconveniently) extreme.

Where are all the pitch forks now? They don’t seem so radical now...

Come to think of it, gay people can get married now- who’s going to sneer at that right? Not so extreme now...

Oh and children... they have rights now. Society used to believe infants had no emotional needs to protect. Sounds ridiculous in retrospect doesn’t it?

It’s very simple... I love the taste of dairy and steak. But it’s unethical. So I don’t eat it.

Shamefully I’m no suffragette- I don’t preach until some asshole corners me into a debate. I just get on with my life, causing as little suffering as possible. THAT is shameful... the fact that most days I leave nasty comments unchallenged and pretend I’m not a vegan.

How many of us could put our hands on our hearts and say we would have stood by the suffragettes? How many of us could honestly say we’d have given up our freedom, our children and our friends? How many of us would have stood up to be counted, even if the majority sneered and rejected us as extreme and entitled?

I’m so grateful that activist exists and speak out for what is right, regardless of whether society is ready to hear it or not. Shame on me for not being a more annoying vegan.

Shame on me for being silent in my day to day life. And shame on those who seek to re-brand empathy as ‘annoying’ and ‘self righteous’.

PhilSwagielka · 01/10/2019 21:21

I'm pescatarian but I eat vegan food sometimes because a lot of it is bloody nice. I don't care if you eat meat or not. No-one is forcing you to be vegan, places that have started to offer vegan options will still keep their meat and fish.

joyfullittlehippo · 01/10/2019 21:22

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joffreyscoffee · 01/10/2019 21:28

It really really confuses me how people lose their tiny minds over the fact that people who are vegetarian or vegan actually DO like the taste of meat/eggs/cheese/fish etc. It's the animal cruelty and killing we object to.

Why does it bother you so much that people are getting more choice in their food options. Simply don't buy it. It's not like there aren't entire aisles of meat or whole menus of the stuff.

FFS.

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 01/10/2019 21:30

' Blue-hair'? I'd love to have blue hair, can't see how that's an insult at all? Must be the lack of animal protein addling my poor vegan brain Hmm

Butchyrestingface · 01/10/2019 21:32

Why does it bother you so much that people are getting more choice in their food options

It certainly bothered some vegans/veggies the other week when a poster related how she’d been criticised by a colleague for selecting the non-meat option in her work cafeteria.

Bit of a stooshie it caused. Grin

1Morewineplease · 01/10/2019 21:38

Bloody hell *amooba
It was just a question about veganism!
Chill out! *

QuimJongUn · 01/10/2019 21:46

'Blue-hair' is a reference to 'woke' (🙄) blue haired women, blue hair being a 'thing' among young gay women (so my blue-haired gay DD tells me). So it manages to be sexist and homophobic as well as ignorant.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 01/10/2019 21:46

Hairsprayqueen, I missed your earlier post. Meat products don't look like the animals they've come from, they look like meat slabs, cubes, chunks, slices, whatever.

That's what I meant about the deliberate shaping of non-meat products to look like the above - and mimic the taste/texture. I don't personally understand it but then again, that doesn't matter, it's not my place to understand it or not, it was just a comment about the lookey-likey, taste-just-likey ness. If I were vegan or vegetarian, it would annoy me and I'd steer clear of those products because it would remind me of the meat/fish products that I'd've sworn off eating.

Probably makes no sense but it does in my head.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 01/10/2019 21:49

@amoobaa. There is a good argument that the suffragettes hindered women's rights in this country with their terrorist acts. In fact, 7 countries gave women the vote before us as there was a global movement towards the emancipation of women after the 1st world war.

What all terrorists have in common is that they believe their cause is right and justifies violence. They're all wrong.

joyfullittlehippo · 01/10/2019 21:56

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Butchyrestingface · 01/10/2019 21:56

I thought ‘blue hair’ was a synonym for ‘blue rinse’ (brigade).

New factoid for the day! 👍

Crazycatperson · 01/10/2019 21:58

I'm vegan and find that people tend to want to talk about it more than I do. In a nutshell, I don't think an animal should suffer just so I look nice or for my tastebuds... plus I have a child, who may have a child and so on and so forth so want to do my bit for the planet for their future!! 😁 I think people feel it's vegan this, vegan that because it's been proven that animal agriculture is causing mass destruction and it has to be made public so we do something about it. We've all got a responsibility 🤞

coatlessinspokane · 01/10/2019 21:58

There is a good argument that the suffragettes hindered women's rights in this country with their terrorist acts.
Of course, if only those women had asked nicely.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 01/10/2019 22:10

Because nothing says I'm an intelligent and reasonable individual more than a brick lobbed through your window @coatlessinspokane.

Terrorism is never justifiable.