I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

[TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies]

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

I hope somebody stops the lions and wolves and other carnivorous sentient animals from eating, would love to see people walk into a jungle with signs asking lions not to eat antelopes,

Jessie
One of the huge bonuses about vegan food is that it's suitable for millions of people with allergies. Vegan food is for everyone - meat eaters too - and suits those with dairy, egg, fish etc allergies.

Much vegan food leads to a very unpleasant experience for me, because of allergic reaction (a classic sort: purple blotches like a severe nettle-rash itching all over me, with vomiting, diarrhoea and a splitting headache) to pulses. Most vegan food seems to rely heavily on pulses for protein, and they make me ill.

It's only the protein: over the years of trying to counter this disability, I have tried edging up on the foods that make me ill, eating for instance bean-sprouts; it turns out that the protein in those is different and I can eat them. Beans themselves, no. (I am working up to mange-tout, with trepidation. Peas are the worst, for me.)

That means that while I can with a bit of effort (and application to the internet for recipes, and warning so I can shop for the right ingredients) provide vegan food for a visitor, there is a strong chance that I won't be able to eat it myself, and that I won't be able to eat the meal they have made for themselves if I am visiting them.

It's a complete pain, and I freely admit that the problem is me not vegans, but it really doesn't help when I am preached at about eating for instance eggs or cheese.

I'm sure this isn't an original thought but many people now have no religious beliefs and looking at the zeal with which Vegans promote there views I wonder if this cause, and others like it, are taking the place in people's lives that the church used to have? Most people feel the need to be included, to have a "tribe" of some sort and it's noticable how many Vegans are young and want to be part of something? I'm not being scathing here, it's just something I've noticed. Sadly due to medical issues I can't tolerate anything but a low fibre diet so I have no axe to grind here, just can't tolerate a Vegan diet

If you care about the planet, stop kidding yourself! Veganism in its modern from is just as bad

Can this be true? I've read loads of articles where people that know about these things advocate moving to a plant based diet. I literally know a climate change scientist and he reckons the best things individuals can do to lower their carbon footprint are not having kids, giving up meat and dairy and giving up your car.

Vegan food isn't so great for people with nut, seed or soya allergies, gluten intolerance or nightshade sensitivities. It's no more allergen free than veggie or omnivorous diet.

I would have thought that rather than trying to compel anyone to give up meat and dairy (and and and) completely, a far better way to improve matters would be to encourage people to eat less of the foods which are particularly bad for the planet.

The USA had meatless, sweetless and wheatless days during WWII to help with the war effort; something the same now would do nobody any harm. I don't have to eat protein every day any more than I have to eat spinach every day; and I don't have to have a 300g steak at every (or even any) meal.

It's the all-or-nothing attitude that is so antagonistic and tiresome.

thisnamechanger

But the plants eaten as a low carbon plant based diet probably need to be locally grown and unprocessed, which excludes lots of ingredients in popular vegan meals. Avocado, quinoa, asparagus, coconut, jackfruit etc, plus all the processed meat substitutes.

Many modern vegans won't be living on cabbage and potatoes.

There's also the issue of staple ingredients in poorer countries becoming unaffordable, deforestation and water use for intensive Farming.

I'm not so sure it will fizzle out so fast. Thirty percent of the children in my kids school are vegan or vegetarian. Initially I didn't think much of the statistic but then when I was reading the newsletter at a later date and saw it again it sort of sunk in that that is actually huge. I'm also a university student and a large portion of the people in my classes are vegetarian or vegan and most of them not even for animal rights reason most of them are doing it for environmental reasons. My eldest is veggie just because he doesn't like the texture of meat. He will eat some alternatives but only ones that don't have a texture too similar to actual meat. He's 10 and has been vegetarian since he was about 4 or 5. I'm not vegetarian I didn't advise him for or against in any way. Although with him being veggie we do tend to eat much less meat and I actually love some of the alternative options with or without fake meat. However with such a large portion of the younger generation being vegetarian and vegan I don't think it's going to magically disappear. I suspect there will be some form of meat revival eventually of course probably fueled by some advertised magical health benefits.

Meat eaters get so offended by this and don't really see why! Is it a guilt thing?

😂 I promise you, it isn’t a guilt thing 😂

I totally agree.

No issue with vegans or anyone else.... HUGE issue with having it rammed down my throat by militants (excuse the pun).

Do as you all please but kindly stop trying to convert me and mind your own business.

Please and thank you.

Ffs YABU as are the other people on here who are making judgements and sweeping statements like telling me I'm just vegan cos it's trendy- er no I'm vegan cos I care about my children, animals, and the planet - why is that so hard for people to comprehend?
Yes I eat vegan burgers sometimes, how does that make me not a proper vegan
If I started a thread with a patronising, rude title like meat eating wankery then you'd all be well within your right to moan at me, but I wouldn't cos that doesn't help anyone.
If you don't understand veganism then watch some of the documentaries like earthlings and forks over knives. So many people assume that cows just produce milk naturally and don't realise that like us they have to be pregnant /lactating to produce milk and don't question what happens to the calves.
Now stop all this vegan bashing nonsense!

It doesn’t even surprise me anymore to see someone triggered by the word ‘vegan’ 😂

Nobody is stopping you from ramming bacon and cheese down your neck, get over it 😂

with you on the fake 'meat'. What's the point of that? Why eat something that masquerades as something you won't/don't want to eat?

Why do so many meat products resemble nothing to the animal they came from
Its just shapes. People being able to find foods that mimic the taste of something they like, without contributing to cruelty ,is grand imo. As is the fact I went for a pub lunch with family recently and I had a CHOICE!!! I've been vegan since 1999. Endlessn jacket spuds and salad /baked beans/plates of chips clueless chefs and going hungry. This vegan 'wankery' is fabulous.

To be honest I’ve never had a vegan preach at me.
I’ve had vegans say to me “do what you can, Just cutting down on meat helps”. Very reasonable of them

The only people who I’ve heard getting arsey about “the other side” are meat eaters.

I mean, why be proud that you like eating dead animals? I understand reasons for doing it but it’s not something to celebrate.

Trendy is not bad though - it is of the moment, current, modern as are many very worthwhile things...

YANBU
One of the most misleading messages is meat = bad, vegetarian/vegan = good. It’s far more complex than most believe. I’d rather eat beef that was reared 2 miles from my house than almond milk from overseas or palm oil products. Tastier & better for the earth. Don’t believe all you read in the papers peeps!

50thisnamechanger yep because your average vegan food, the stuff that is highly marketed, does not grow in this country. It's often highly processed and packaged. I don't think it's very good for the environment.
If you go to your local market or farm shop, you can choose potatoes apples meat and dairy products that are produced by the farm or the one down the road. Worst case scenario your pear comes from an orchard in Kent while you live in Northumberland. The only problem is, it's not profitable for the blue chip companies and it's currently not cheap or easy to manage.
Compare this with yellow split lentils, almond milk or quorn products. And you can see why everyone is behind the vegan fad.
It's my opinion, take it or leave it.

I love it. I'm not vegan but have a dairy allergy and it makes life so much easier finding something safe to eat.

Most vegans are hypocrites, I’ve lost track of the number of vegans I know who happily wear wool and leather, eat honey or happily have vaccinations (which contain animal products) or use non vegan makeup.

I get that people want to make the effort but whilst you’re not doing it perfectly don’t lecture me on why I should do it.

YANBU. Some are so militant about it. And being a vegan is not as sustainable as they claim. Many products are imported (carbon footprint of have other environmental problems attached to prodction. Harvesting kills small animals. Areas are de-forested for products such as palm oil (killing orangutans). Also, there is not enough arable land on earth for everyone to be vegan without cutting down more forest. Some land is only suitable for grazing. I have cut down on meat and I have been veggie in the past but people should be able to eat what they want. Even at school my daughter said there had been teasing from veggie kids towards the meat eaters about how cows are tortured. It is also a rip off in restaurants when a vegan burger costs just as much as a meat one etc.

I mean, why be proud that you like eating dead animals? I understand reasons for doing it but it’s not something to celebrate.

And there it is. The smuggery. Yet apparently no one's preaching.

I hate how these threads always descend into people peddling misinformation to justify their meat eating.

Meat is bad for the environment, whether it is local or not. There is enough arable land to feed vegans, as a tiny fraction of land is required. Rainforest deforestation is primarily for meat and dairy (including crops to be fed for these animals).

As a compassionate person, I also don't want an animal to suffer or be killed for me.

And there it is. The smuggery. Yet apparently no one's preaching.

It’s impossible for me to be a smug vegan because I’m not a vegan. But I have the good grace to feel bad about our natural desires to kill and eat living sentient beings and I strongly admire anyone who can go against that desire and live according to their ideals.

What I’m saying is that vegans are to be admired, not looked down on. It’s a good thing they’re doing.

I was listening on the radio about the need to eat insects instead of meat, to keep the so-called carbon footprint low. A vegan commented on the program, saying thats great news I can eat Insect Burgers now, because its not meat. "Oh so its not about killing animals then?" Insects obviously dont count. Still nothing like a healthy diet, the latest is that red meat is not bad for you, who are we supposed to believe then?

A vegan commented on the program, saying thats great news I can eat Insect Burgers now, because its not meat.

Perhaps they’re an environmental vegan not a moral one.