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I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

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TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies · 30/09/2019 20:48

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

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PurpleDaisies · 01/10/2019 17:54

Although it does annoy me that I'm expected to provide vegan food when they visit, but very few provide me with meat when I visit them.

Really? You can’t understand why that’s not a reasonable thing to expect? Presumably they feed you,just without meat or dairy.

Flowerseverywhere · 01/10/2019 17:54

Don’t be a jerk about it. The biggest change we can make to help the planet is cut down on meat and dairy and that is a fact. So the more people doing that the better, and the easier it is, the more will do it. I’m not a vegan by the way but try to be meat free five days a week and have cut down on dairy too. Try it rather than sneering at it.

mbosnz · 01/10/2019 17:57

Thank goodness your employer is more enlightened than you are.

Why? I'm prepared to bet good money that more employees thought 'fuck this shit, and God I'm fed up with preachy bloody vegans, I'm going to go buy me a nice juicy steak', than thought 'oh what a jolly good idea, I'm instantly going to convert and go start demonstrating in supermarkets and outside butchers, which will surely convert hordes to our more enlightened way of thinking'. . .

Which is a bit of an own goal, surely?

Mummadeeze · 01/10/2019 17:58

I am allergic to dairy and eggs so having new, interesting options on the menu that are not dangerous for me to eat has been absolutely wonderful. You would be surprised how many dishes have dairy in otherwise. I find vegan food mostly delicious and healthy so you are definitely being unreasonable. Even if my allergies weren’t an issue I would enjoy vegan options from time to time to cut down on eating meat.

Jessie94 · 01/10/2019 18:00

I'm vegan and I can honestly say that all these new vegan products are not aimed at us.
They are aimed at meat eaters (hence why the Tesco plant kitchen range and Sainsbury's naturali range are located in the meat aisle).

These products are there to help people wanting to make the change from animal based to plant based but need a lot of guideance on how.

It is nice though that my 3 year old son (he's vegan too) and I can go out to eat somewhere.
I probably know around 50 other vegans that don't live too far away from me and we all meet up often.

One of the huge bonuses about vegan food is that it's suitable for millions of people with allergies. Vegan food is for everyone - meat eaters too - and suits those with dairy, egg, fish etc allergies.

Vegans only account for 3% of the population. It's not us demanding these new products. No business would create new items just for 3% of the population.

BertrandRussell · 01/10/2019 18:03

“Although it does annoy me that I'm expected to provide vegan food when they visit, but very few provide me with meat when I visit them.

BertrandRussell · 01/10/2019 18:04

Oops- posted too soon. I was just going to say that it’s taken a long tine for this particular bit of non thought to appear....

Underdone · 01/10/2019 18:06

@Hopoindown31

I was responding to a post (I don't think it was yours) justifying eating meat by saying that lots of other animals do it ergo it's ok for us to do it.

One can't have it both ways and deny all sorts of other animal behaviours that are not acceptable to us but cherry pick the behaviour that suits one's argument. That's all.

MsLumley · 01/10/2019 18:06

YANBU. At all.

Hopoindown31 · 01/10/2019 18:06

I don't go to work to be lectured on how I choose to eat or indeed my other personal lifestyle choices. I have the great privilege to live in an allegedly free society and I would like to keep it that way.

Healthy, environmentally friendly diets do not need to be vegan so lecturing people that the only way to save the planet is to eat vegan and stopping people from using communal areas if they have meat or dairy products in their lunches because of the "vegan event" is both dishonest and illiberal.

MmeBoulaye · 01/10/2019 18:08

I’m with you @TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies. I find these new age vegans quite dull.

Nearly47 · 01/10/2019 18:08

It's like a cult. And people saying their young children vegan. They aren't. You are forcing them to be. My son's friends who is vegan by his mom choice is always offering money to buy a bit of cheese from my son's lunch.

Bizawit · 01/10/2019 18:10

YABU! Angry

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 01/10/2019 18:13

I was responding to a post (I don't think it was yours) justifying eating meat by saying that lots of other animals do it ergo it's ok for us to do it.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying about other animals. I wasn't necessarily saying 'other animals eat meat so we should too'.

I was responding to the assertions (or what I took to be assertions) that it's somehow objectively cruel to 'kill an animal that doesn't want to die'.

Yes, some animals are carnivores. Humans are classified as omnivores which means they have evolved to eat both animals and plants. Our omnivore status is why we have thrived over the past few hundred millenia, because basically, we ate anything we needed to survive.

Hopoindown31 · 01/10/2019 18:14

@underdone

I was responding to a post (I don't think it was yours) justifying eating meat by saying that lots of other animals do it ergo it's ok for us to do it.

One can't have it both ways and deny all sorts of other animal behaviours that are not acceptable to us but cherry pick the behaviour that suits one's argument. That's all.

Indeed and by the same token, one cannot falsely equilibrate animal sentience with human moral agency to justify a stance that eating meat is unethical.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 01/10/2019 18:16

And not only did being omnivore allow humans to survive, it allowed us to survive into a life of such abundance and luxury that we are now in a position to tell others that 'we don't need to eat meat' Smile

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 01/10/2019 18:20

"“Although it does annoy me that I'm expected to provide vegan food when they visit, but very few provide me with meat when I visit them."

Oh this old chestnut Hmmyou seriously expect a vegan to go against their ethical beliefs merely because you feel entitled to meat and dairy? If that's your view your vegan friends (if you have any that is) are better off without you.

My dad got uppity that I wanted a 100% vegan spread for my wedding, he reckoned people wouldn't come. I told him if eating meat was more important than attending my wedding then I didn't want those people there anyway. Guess what? Nobody declined the invitation because of the food. And nobody expired due to not having meat/dairy. Funny that

amoobaa · 01/10/2019 18:20

you believe in ‘live and let live’ ... Oh the irony

gill1960 · 01/10/2019 18:23

Yep it's a food fashion that is like a new religion

If you don't belong to the religion then you are abused by them

I've always been a quiet happy vegetarian eating fish ... but I never abuse anyone with rants and raves about their choices

I have been abused by vegans because I love dairy and fish

Jack80 · 01/10/2019 18:26

I'm a vegetarian, I like fake meat, I don't post about it and I'm not a vegetarian. I don't like vegans going on about things as we can see things in the news and Google if needed. I do like seeing recipes as alternatives.

SAHDtoday · 01/10/2019 18:26

I enjoy meat and do not feel guilty by eating what my body has naturally evolved to eat and is probably a dietary requirement over 1,000s of years of evolution, I dont go to the flower shows with a sign to stop innocent plants being pulled from their home or trimmed and cut unnecessarily just to win an award

Underdone · 01/10/2019 18:27

@Hopoindown31
“The question is not, Can they reason?, nor Can they talk? but, Can they suffer? Why should the law refuse its protection to any sensitive being?” – Bentham (1789) – An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation.

When he wrote that we did not have the knowledge we have now. We know know WITHOUT A DOUBT that other animals are sentient. There have been many studies on this. So it's not really important if they can hold an intellectual conversation. They can and do suffer needlessly.

What would make you go vegan? Genuinely curious. Because you're clearly interested enough to be on this thread.

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 01/10/2019 18:29

@amoobaa was that aimed at me? Or do I just happen to be the post just before yours?

bondgirl76 · 01/10/2019 18:33

Its a free country dear...people can do as they want? who made u in charge

Ylvamoon · 01/10/2019 18:36

The majority of new vegans are just people wanting to be "trendy" , following the latest fad. As it's so easy now with all that newly developed highly processed food. (Not sure what that does to the carbon footprint.)
Veganuary & Co are just an other way to get us spend some more money in the shops after the Christmas rush.
If you care about the planet, stop kidding yourself! Veganisam in its modern from is just as bad.
I am an advocate for locally grown food. Food that is in season. Food that has not been heavily processed or things added to it.