I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

[TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies]

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

The annoying vegans go on about it. The normal ones just get on with it. The normal ones should be getting annoyed with the first lot- not trying to guilt omnivores into giving up food that humans have consumed for thousands of years. There are no, traditionally vegan, child-producing societies. Non. Possibly some types of monastery are traditionally vegan. That's it.

India eats dairy (ghee, yogurt, eggs). China and Japan traditionally are little to no dairy but meat and fish.

The artificiality of veganism is what actually puts me off it.

Non vegans products and food are advertised all the time. People swap and share and talk about non vegan recipes, they bake cakes and other non vegan food and share them around...

God forbid vegans do any of these things though...then suddenly it becomes preaching, forcing their views down their throats and trying to force people to eat their wanky food...🤔

I could easily have posted that myself...

I'm over fed up with the fake meat and all the glorification around veganism. If you choose not to eat animals and care so much about them, why do you want to eat some fake food that reminds you of a dead animal???? it can look like dead but if it actually isn't then it's fine?! Beyond hypocrisy!

It makes me absolutely cross to see some places replacing their vegetarian meals - that I absolutely love (I'm not a vegetarian) - for vegan options as if they are the same.

How do you want to be inclusive if you inclusion actually excludes another group?? That's not inclusion at all!

Also, I want to eat my lovely vegetarian burger with real cheese and a normal bread, and I want my coleslaw to have mayo!!!

You don’t usually say “i’ve found a great recipe for meat eaters” because meat eating is the norm. If you knows the group had vegetarian/vegans in it, you would though, surely?

I wouldn't necessarily say "a great Vegan recipe/a great recipe for meat eaters"

But meat is the social default in the UK. If you talk about a great restaurant or recipe site the assumption will be that it caters for meat eaters. Hence "Italian", "Indian", "Fish" all used as qualifiers for restaurants or recipe sites.

“why do you want to eat some fake food that reminds you of a dead animal???? it can look like dead but if it actually isn't then it's fine?! Beyond hypocrisy!”
Of all the stupid arguments, this is the stupidest. Are you incapable of understanding that many vegan and vegetarians actually like the texture and taste of meat? Why shouldn’t they eat meat substitutes if they want to?

Gosh this is tiring

why do you want to eat some fake food that reminds you of a dead animal???? it can look like dead but if it actually isn't then it's fine?! Beyond hypocrisy!

It is not hypocrisy, it is not an animal, it did not suffer, there is nothing dead about it.

@IAmALazyArse

Many can tell the difference few hours after eating. I am still glad I cooked quarn on DH's day off. Violent vomiting is not something you want to do at work when you work in food industry

That wasn't the point I was making - I bet you didn't read my post properly, lazy-arse I meant most people can't tell the difference between being angry about Quorn burgers or being angry about being told what to do.

They think their irritation is about veganism, and it's not – it's about feeling like they're being criticised.

If you choose not to eat animals and care so much about them, why do you want to eat some fake food that reminds you of a dead animal????

It doesn't look like a dead animal. HTH.

Also, I want to eat my lovely vegetarian burger with real cheese and a normal bread, and I want my coleslaw to have mayo!!!

Normal bread is vegan...

@ladybee28 sorry!😂 Wasn't even lazyness, just pure brain fart😂

@IAmALazyArse - to be clear, that extra lazy-arse was said in jest - it just made me chuckle when I saw your username!

Does seeing vegan choices on a menu really bother you that much?

As a vegan, it bothers me to go into an eatery and find almost nothing that I want on the menu.

Non-vegans can choose vegan food, or not, as they like.

More choice for everyone has to be good.

People do get that mince, burgers, sausages, etc don't just fall off the animal looking like that, right? I could just as easily ask why meat eaters instead on processing, favouring and reshaping meat until it no longer resembles the animal it comes from. Surely if we were meant to eat meat we wouldn't need to do that and we would just eat the meat straight from the animal...

Why is it okay for a cow to be processed into a burger but whenever someone dares to process plants into a burger then suddenly it becomes hypocritical?

Why are so many meat eaters so invested in what vegans eat?

Why did eating quiet make him sick?

*quorn

@ladybee28 I got that one 😁

*insist.

I don't have any objection to people choosing what they eat.
I do object strongly to expecting that you will eat the cashew/avocado/jackfruit producing countries' entire output x1000.
They will plant loads more and their pickers will be exploited and their land reduced to commercial farms. Nobody in the villages will get rich. Then once the fad for avocado toast is over (and this isn't just vegans of course) the villagers will have no income and useless trees instead of food crops.
I prefer to eat local. Which does mean milk and meat.

(But there's nothing wrong with beetroot burgers).

Yes ok maybe less animals may have died for growing crops than being killed for meat... but where do vegans draw the line at which animals/living beings it's ok to kill for food?? I thought that the whole point of being "vegan" was that you ate only food that no living being has had to sacrifice their life for... so it's ok for bugs, bees, rabbits, deer, crows etc die but not cows, pigs, chickens.

Well I think you can feed more humans with a field of grain than you can cows.

It's obviously not about certain animal deaths being "ok" - it's impossible to farm crops commercially without impacting the surrounding wildlife. But I'd be surprised if you know many vegans that go around claiming nothing in their diet has any suffering of any kind associated with it? Surely this is more about people going "I don't want animals to suffer for my food... and since a totally cruelty free lifestyle isn't possible...I'm going to make the obvious alternative choices where they are possible" e.g meat & diary

Obviously vegetable/grain farming also has human/animal suffering implications but at least they're helping decrease the market for more animals and the farming for the animal feed. What would you have them do? Stop eating altogether?

Seems like if someone dares stick their head above the parapet and saying they're going vegan it's then open season for everyone to pile on and dissect every aspect of their diet, sniffing out any hypocrisy. Just mind your own business and do your own best.

And for the record, I would find proselytising Vegans annoying as well but I've never met any except on Instagram.

Vegans can do whatever they like. However, what I hate is that they think they’re better than everyone else and holier than thou.

News flash. I'm a foodie. Before I was vegan I would post pictures of food I'd made/eaten and talk recipes. That hasn't changed since I became vegan, it's just everything I post is vegan because, ya know, I'm vegan?

We aren’t vegan, but we do have a child with a life threatening milk allergy, egg allergy and 5 other less severe food allergies.
Restaurants getting on the vegan bandwagon has widened our options for eating out if we need to. Also being able to say “Yes you can have ice cream for dessert!” because they actually have a suitable dairy and soya free alternative is brilliant! He’s only 2, but he is starting to notice when other children get all these nice treats and 9 times out of 10, he can’t have any of it So having vegan options available is wonderful for us!!