I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

[TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies]

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

@Teddybear45 that's interesting!
There was an article recently on bbc that vegan diet may cause higher chances of stroke. Is that something you saw in your community too?

The 'militant' vegans that cause stress to both farm animals and other people should be bloody ashamed of their selfish little lives.

Come on, that's just silly...

Is it though? Remember the 6000 mink released from a farm in the New Forest? Some were caught. Most died of starvation and exposure after a while, but not before they began attacking pets, farm animals and even people in desperation. Definite own goal there.

I'm not a vegan or even a veggie but find the negative reaction they got so odd. People get angry when veggie or vegan options are available. The fact is everyone needs to eat a loss less meat for the sake of the planet so if some people are completely vegan that's great and if it annoys you who cares?

I am a vegan who gets annoyed by other vegans.

People tend to be vegan for 3 reasons. 1. They do not like or are allergic to dairy and meat,or have a religious need to avoid these. 2. Environmental reasons. 3. Ethical reasons around the rights of animals.

Let's leave aside the first group, and focus on 2 and 3. Now, if you are vegan for either these reasons, it seems clear to me that you are also mandated to buy food that is: as local as possible, as sparely packaged as possible (if at all), and organic and sustainable farmed. If you care either about the environment or about animal rights, then you should care about the welfare of ecosystems: it should matter to you, by logical extension, that your food isn't produced by spraying crops over and over again with pesticide and herbicide. Yet this is the opposite of the highly packaged, highly processed, high food miles, plastic-ridden food that my local 'vegan' group goes on and on about.

I know that a lot of peopleare just trying their best but really a lot of them need to stop and think.

If we look at our closest relatives in the animal kingdom - the apes and chimpanzees, they tend to have a mainly vegan diet but supplemented with occasional meat.
Maybe that’s the ideal for us too?

Also every vegan meal helps the planet

Not necessarily. Transporting food thousands of miles, isn't better for the planet than eating locally sourced cheese, eggs or meat.

The communities who used to survive on things like quinoa now find they can't afford it and are eating more imported processed food. Not great for the planet.

Funny how defensive meat eaters are about vegans

Because they're frequently feeling they have to defend their lifestyle choice?

Before vegans became a major marketing demographic mostly people didn't care about vegans, and most vegans were not openly combative about the lifestyle choice of others.

Now evangelical veganism is much more a thing and people will push back against that.

In general I think a move to people eating less animals is clearly a good thing and it's hard or impossible to argue the ethics of that. I don't care if people want to eat processed vegan food, because whatever they eat I don't have to. I think it's a shame that for many it's just another branch of conspicuous consumerism, but i think that's more to do with how our society operates as a whole rather than anything related to one movement

I'm generally with the vegans on this thread, but while it's true that lots of people eat an unhealthy diet, this:

Oh and those eating loads of dairy and meat will die before they get to osteoporosis too

is blatantly untrue. Plenty of people live to a ripe old age having eaten loads of meat and dairy, as they have done for generations.

@IAmALazyArse - yes stroke, fatal heart attacks and sudden death syndrome became common in my community when it wasn’t in previous generations where dairy eating was commonplace. In later generations that began eating eggs and meat too it was almost wiped out even in India.

This is because a mostly vegan diet can damage the heart muscle from childhood because it needs more salt, fat and sugar and processing to make it tasty

Wha?

I have vegan friends and like plenty of vegan dishes. I don’t think I would hugely miss meet, but I’d struggle to give up fish, and really struggle to give up milk in my coffee. I do accept that there’s a level of cognitive dissonance going on, and I don’t always want to think too much about where my food comes from. On the flip side what some vegans post on Facebook etc is quite aggressive and I don’t think it helps their cause.

I'm another long term vegetarian who's a bit pissed off at often only having a vegan option. Just as veggie options seemed to be improving, they're now being wiped out in favour of vegan.

And I have no desire to eat something with the texture and taste of animal flesh - I find it distasteful in more ways that one.

And whenever I've been to a vegan fair, the majority of the food is really unhealthy - lots of cakes and biscuits. Made with horrible marg.

I'm with you on the fake 'meat'. What's the point of that? Why eat something that masquerades as something you won't/don't want to eat?

I'm not a vegan, or even a vegetarian but surely you can see the logic issues in these sentences?

What is the point of that - it doesn't involve any harm to animals. Depending on the type of 'fake meat' it is likely to be better for the environment.

Why eat something that masquerades as something you don't want to eat - see above. Most vegetarians and vegans like meat but don't eat it for animal welfare or environmental concerns.

I have no issue with vegans having more choice but why take away the vegetarian option? Take one of the 5 or whatever meat options off the menu and replace it with a vegan option. If you are an omnivore, then it doesn't make any difference if you have a nice vegan meal now and again, but if you are a vegetarian, you have to eat the vegan meal and pay a premium for something you don't really like. 10% of the population is vegetarian, yet only 1% of the population is vegan. I agree it cant be that hard to stick a piece of cheese on a beanburger or provide vegetarian accompaniments to a vegan curry.

Genuine vegans are fine, and you rarely hear from them.

We haven’t met the same vegans...

I know a vegan couple who wear hats and tshirts with vegan emblazoned across them constantly. They also started their own vegan festival...
The other vegans I know tell everyone who will listen. Conversation can be about absolutely anything and they will manage to slip their veganism into it.

I was a vegan for a few years and I hated how much of a sanctimonious twat I became.

“Conversation can be about absolutely anything and they will manage to slip their veganism into it.“

You do know you’re talking bollocks, don’t you?

And whenever I've been to a vegan fair, the majority of the food is really unhealthy - lots of cakes and biscuits. Made with horrible marg.

Do you think vegans should only eat lentils and mung beans?

Samcro I see you chose to show the article about the second incident, the first incident involved a middle aged man punching one of the young female activists in the face in Pizza express. The comments on that article are so sad.
Kill them all
Left wing racist vegans
Brain addled idiots

I know a vegan couple who wear hats and tshirts with vegan emblazoned across them constantly. They also started their own vegan festival...

Oh the horror...

Why is everyone so concerned by what the next person eats or what's on the menu. Eat what you like and choose off the menu what you want and stop moaning. You sound a bit old and right wing tbh..."in my day..."

1. Are vegans not allowed to eat cake?
2. Marge isn’t horrible. I use it in quite a lot of baking- it’s often better than butter unless you’re making something where the taste of butter is the point.

OMG, bloody avocados and quinoa! As if only vegetarians/vegans eat avocados and quinoa! Like that's the direct substitution for all meat and dairy. All vegans live on avocados and quinoa.

It's trotted out so consistently that I have to presume it was used as a big argument against veganism once and everyone just ran with it.

YA sorta NBU, I do feel like it's the new 'fashion' and so many people (obviously not every vegan) feel the need to let you know how they're vegans and preach their beliefs on to the rest of us.
I do however think the good thing of it becoming fashionable is that it is now much easier for vegans to eat out or find alternative foods with no animal by products (eg milk), because the food and diet industries don't bother catering to everyone until they feel it's become a huge money making opportunity.
The same with when everyone was choosing to go gluten free a couple years ago, it became ridiculous the amount of people cutting out such a standard food type for no reason, but the popularity of it made it so much easier for people with a gluten allergy/intolerance to finally be able to get gluten free options when in the supermarket or in restaurants etc.