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To ask you what you think would be bad about a Corbyn government?

381 replies

catdoctor · 26/09/2019 22:48

Please be specific.

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Pumpkintopf · 27/09/2019 00:18

Mustard screams sorry for slight derail but really interested to hear what your Labour Party candidate did to bring leave and remain back together? It's something I think we sorely need. Our politics appears to be becoming increasingly tribal along those lines.

ThomasRichard · 27/09/2019 00:20

A Corbyn-led government would take away women’s single-sex rights, services and spaces. He leads a party characterised by its utter contempt for women.

Momentum is a rotten-to-the-core movement of self-righteous bullies who have hounded the moderates in the Labour Party into quitting (like me), or shutting up. The purges and witch-hunts of those not singing Corbyn’s praises are appalling.

Receiving emails addressing me as ‘comrade’ is scary and alienating. I’m not a Marxist, I just care about fairness for people not born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

Corbyn’s been Leader of the Opposition through the biggest national crisis since the Second World War and has failed to show any sign of 1) a Brexit plan; 2) leadership skills. I don’t trust him to lead the country.

Sunshine93 · 27/09/2019 00:22

SilverChime. You use socialism as if it's a dirty word. I am a proud socialist. He isn't proposing to seize people's assets he is proposing to BUY empty property if it is left vacant for more than 6 months. If you own it and rent it out that's fine. If you live in it for part of the year but have long trips away that's fine.

The main targets are foreign millionaires who buy these properties simply as investments. Not people on modest salaries who work hard to buy a second home as extra protection in their retirement.

SilverySurfer · 27/09/2019 00:25

I’m sorry but Diane Abbott isn’t incompetent

Much.

She has been criticised by climate change activists over her failure to sign a pledge calling for MPs’ pensions to be divested from fossil fuel companies.

She said it would cost £300,000 to fund 10,000 more policemen during the 2017 General Election in an interview with LBC. That would have meant them earning £30 a year. She then revised the figure to £80million. £300million is the real cost of the policy.

When interviewed by Sky she was unable to recall any of the 127 recommendations in the Harris Report to improve London’s readiness for terror, despite insisting she had read it.

She said that 16 year olds should get the vote because they “can fight for our country”. Actually the minimum age for soldiers on the battlefield is 18 although you can join at 16.

She sent her child to private school, despite previously attacking fellow labour MPs for doing the same thing.

There's more but I'm sure you're aware of them.

SilverChime · 27/09/2019 00:28

he is proposing to BUY empty property if it is left vacant
Against the will of the legal owner! My Gran had to go and look after her sister when she was dying of cancer, under these rules Corbyn would have compulsory purchased her home of 50 years so she had nothing to return to when her sister died. That’s before we even talk about them seizing people’s property at a discounted price so the tenants can have a cheap house.

OneSliceIsNeverEnough · 27/09/2019 00:34

Mustard screams hence I am telling you! :-) my parents didn't know, and it's not shouted from the rooftops because these schools are charities which need to earn enough to function and teach.

Surely it's better to tell people about potential scholarships than abolish the schools...?

I've asked kids in some state school classes what they wanted to be when they grow up and they said "on the dole like my dad". They had no ambitions as they felt they could rely on benefits. I then tried hard to inspire those kids but I wish in my heart of hearts that the media, instead of making a song and dance about who said humbug to whom would give some airtime to encouraging people to aspire and just... try. It was a minority of kids but it left me utterly deflated. What was the point in them learning my subject? I could only try.

I have no privilege, my mother is from a council estate, my dad the son of a miner. But they wholeheartedly encouraged me to work hard and be kind and polite to others. I am trying to build a small business now as I have stoped teaching for having kids. But crazily in my pnd head it feels like people might think I'm privileged if I go on to make a success of it. ( I haven't though - not by a very very long shot !!! )

Sunshine93 · 27/09/2019 00:36

There is no suggestion that he would buy a property in those circumstances. The terms of the policy are not in place yet but I am sure there would be an expectation that the policy protected people exactly like your grandma. The reason for the policy is to help people who are losing out because of the very richest people abusing the system. It is not there to catch out old ladies who are caring for sick relatives.

I think you know that though really.

Sunshine93 · 27/09/2019 00:43

I've asked kids in some state school classes what they wanted to be when they grow up and they said "on the dole like my dad".

I've worked in state schools for 14 years and no child has ever said that to me . If someone said that to you did you not think that maybe the government ought to improve education for that child so that they can hope for more? A labour government would actually invest in education and sxhoola. The private school policy is being highlighted because it affects the middle classes. It's pathetic that Mumsnet are jumping on the bandwagon like this. Where are the threads about the green new deal?

You don't think there are private school kids who want to be just like their dads too? The difference is their dad isn't on the dole but that doesn't make them more deserving of a good education. If anything it compounds the arguments for investing in the state sector and ending this tax relief we give to the wealthy private schools.

CendrillonSings · 27/09/2019 00:44

There is no suggestion that he would buy a property in those circumstances. The terms of the policy are not in place yet but I am sure there would be an expectation that the policy protected people exactly like your grandma.

The one thing you can be sure of is it will be outright theft. Is he going to pay full market value for the property? Of course not!

How would you like your possessions to be sold on the cheap against your will? Perhaps you wouldn’t be so keen on this bonkers policy then.

Nat6999 · 27/09/2019 00:45

If he keeps his promises of more money for the NHS, schools, more SEN provision for children, free university courses, abolishes universal credit & the disgusting assessments for ESA & PIP & increases the NMW to £10 per hour then bring it on, even if he only manages half of that it would improve the lives of hundreds of thousands of people & thousands of families.

SilverChime · 27/09/2019 00:48

I am sure there would be an expectation that the policy protected people exactly like your grandma
But rules are rules and will be applied across the board. If the rule is “properties will be purchased if empty for six months” then that’s what will happen. They can’t anticipate all circumstances, so there’ll be no “but if you’re away caring for a sick relative you get a free pass”. Ditto if you’re under 18 and the property is held in trust, or if your employer sends you on a secondment, or if you go travelling, or any other good reason why your house might be empty.

SilverChime · 27/09/2019 00:51

I doubt you’ll get to set the price either, or say I can’t afford to sell for less than X amount. They’ll set the price and it won’t be the full market value you could have achieved in a private sale, and you won’t be able to say no.

Nat6999 · 27/09/2019 00:57

I left school during the reign of Margaret Thatcher & the only careers advice I got was how to sign on to claim benefits, we were kicked out of school at 10.45 & by 11.30 I was in the dole office signing on to claim my £15.75 a week unemployment benefit, the main bonus was that by having a UB40 I could use all the sports & leisure facilities in the city for free & could spend the summer at the local outdoor swimming pool. I want better than that for my ds who will be leaving school next summer, I want him to go to a good sixth form to study A levels instead of the poor school he has been at for all of his secondary education & to be able to go to university without worrying about the fact he will be paying for it for the next 30 years.

OneSliceIsNeverEnough · 27/09/2019 00:58

Sunshine, Yes I would like to see children like that be helped, very much so.

The school is only half the battle though, i would love to see support and education for families to help them support and inspire their own kids.

Teaching one's own kids not to tell the teacher to f off would be a little bonus for me Smile sadly I saw one dad in Tesco tell his three year old daughter to f-ing move.

I feel like good manners get you so far in life.

Peace and love, off to bed xxx

Nefelibata86 · 27/09/2019 01:01

I thought the private school aspect was around looking to remove their charity status rather than abolish altogether?
Still not seen or heard examples of condoning anti semitism. If that has been a feature of course abhorrent

Namenic · 27/09/2019 01:11

Sounds like v costly policies. The abolishing private schools sounds silly given the huge cost and upheaval it would cause. Much more sensible to try a school levy/tax and look at the results first. I think making university free would also be very expensive. We need stability and slow, considered change instead of headline-grabbers.

Oliversmumsarmy · 27/09/2019 01:31

The cost of Labours policies would be astronomical.
The idea that they are going to tax the top 5% is extremely naive.

The last time this type of thing happened the top 5% left taking leaving the bill to the next 5% and so on until you got down to those that couldn’t leave and the lowliest paid were giving 1/3 of their income to the government.

Then everyone went on strike because they couldn’t manage and were then given big pay rises but the business owners then put the prices up to pay for the increased wages etc etc

Labour sound like left wing students who haven’t a clue how life works.

I know I would be out of business if Labour got in.

Hopefully they won’t but if they do we are ready for the off.

Already picked a couple of places that would be suitable to go and live.

TheFastandCurious · 27/09/2019 02:01

And just think of the effect of all those smart pupils on the other children in state education

Offs kids in private school are not any smarter than state school kids, their parents are just generally more wealthy.

Also ‘smart kids’ do not make less academically able children smarter by simply being in their presence.

SeaWitchly · 27/09/2019 06:09

I would be very happy with a Corbyn led Labour government.

LoveGrowsWhere · 27/09/2019 06:27

Corbyn
McDonnell' fiscal policies & lynching comment
Including men in the definition of women
IRA sympathies
Watched some of the conference & the phrasing of fraternal & brothers etc. just made it feel male centred. ( Yes sisters was sometimes tagged on.)

ChickenyChick · 27/09/2019 06:33

Labour is a communist party now

JoyceJeffries · 27/09/2019 06:42

I think the main thing that puts me off voting for Jeremy Corbyn is Jeremy Corbyn.

The Tories have been a shambolic disaster and labour should be miles ahead in the polls by now but they are even behind the Lib Dem’s. If Jeremy truly cared about the future of the country he’d resign and let someone electable take over.

Ringdonna · 27/09/2019 06:46

Evwrything, that is all.

BertrandRussell · 27/09/2019 06:47

I agree that Diane Abbott is not particularly good on TV and radio. But her gaffes pale into insignificance compared to Johnson’s. And he’s the bloody Prime Minister!

elprup · 27/09/2019 06:52

As someone on a fraction above average income who is struggling to make ends meet, I worry I will be taxed more and will have even less money to pay my mortgage and bills. I have a garden for example!

I wouldn’t have a problem with paying more tax if I genuinely thought politicians would spend the money wisely and there’d be visible improvements to hospitals and schools. But I just don’t trust Corbyn (or any government for that matter) to do that.