To ask you what you think would be bad about a Corbyn government?

[catdoctor]

Please be specific.

mainly, Corbyn himself. Can't stand the little man in his too-big jacket. There's only one reason a small man wears a too-big jacket, and that's to 'fool' people into thinking he's got broad shoulders...

to me, he's one of those 'leftie' types who makes a big show about giving a damn when, in truth, he cares none for the little people he supposedly represents. Just another career politician and not the 'saint' he's being made out to be. And the whole hero-worshipping Momentum chanting bollocks is chilling, and the whole calling everyone 'comrade' shit knocks me sick.

I am no longer voting labour. I don't want to live in some faux-commie utopia and be threatened with the gulag when I don't 'think' right.

they've gone too far left, for my liking. we need moderates and centrists right now, imho, and we're not going to get that from him and his ilk.

@snotnose at the last GE i worked out that it was only possible to avoid a party endorsing the GRA if you were willing to vote right wing. Sadly, I had to take it out of the reckoning when deciding who to vote for because I will not vote right wing.

Crikey @MustardScreams keep your hair on.

I’m pretty neutral on Corbyn; I’m surrounded by people who either think he’s the second coming or the anti Christ,
I’m trying to understand why he’s so marmite.

Does anyone have examples? I’m genuinely interested to see why my option is so so different to so many!

@MustardScreams, what do you think is positive about the party? Other than they aren’t tories?

Everything already mentioned. Can't stand Corbyn, or anything he stands for.

Wouldn't trust him at all.

When I think of a government with him in charge, Animal Farm springs to mind, especially the quote: 'All pigs are created equal; but some are more equal than others'.

I’m sorry bu Diane Abbott isn’t incompetent. Fair enough she doesn’t always come across well on tv, but surely we are grown up enough to judge people on more than that?

If you actually take a look at the work she has done, for women, for POC, her voting record etc she is pretty incredible. She receives death threats and abuse on a daily basis. All due to the shitty right wing media being horrendous to strong women. Take a look at Greta Thunberg for example.

People need to look further than the headlines.

@PickAChew Yes, I’m really struggling. But women died for my right to vote. I’m really not sure what to do and what my conscience can live with.

I can't see labour getting in whilst he's at the Helm.

Punitive taxes on wealth will just result in the rich moving assets overseas. Therefore they will not only not be paying the extra taxes, but also will not be paying the considerable taxes they already do. The rest of the population will have to make up the shortfall.

His education policies will remove all choice from the system. Having had an unhappy time in a state school I'm anxious that any children I have get a better time.

Freedom of the press is how we keep our governments in check. It would be under threat.

They've proposed to scrap Ofsted and hand its responsibilities to local authorities. Part of Ofsted's remit is monitoring child protection services. After what happened in Rotherham, do we really want councils to be responsible for their own regulation?

Rent controls distort the market. In fact, any form of price control usually ends in disaster.

Reducing the average working week to 32 hours with no loss of pay. Do I really need to go into this hare-brained idea?

Appropriation of private property. That went well in Zimbabwe...

Removing all restrictions on trade union activity. I'm a union member but even I can see that this would be a bad idea.

That'll do to start with.

@Sn0tnose my Labour party candidate is incredible. The work she has done within our community has brought us back together in a way that hasn’t been seen for years. She’s managed to breach the divide between leave and remain, and getting us talking again. I want her to be my MP! So I will always vote Labour whilst I live here.

I want equality and fairness. I want the poorest to have a fair chance, I don’t believe that money means you get more opportunities. I want disabled people to have opportunities, and care, and not want to kill themselves over benefits.

Of course there are some Labour policies I don’t agree with, or that don’t gel with my outlook. But on the whole their ideal is my ideal. I don’t always like Corbyn, I don’t always agree with him. But I can’t cope with more right wing leadership and the horrors they have inflicted on people.

The private school thing was an odd policy to throw in. Although I probably ultimately think it's right I think people need to accept that labour don't intend to close all private schools the day after the election. They will work on the systems needed to support this change probably for years before it's implemented. The teachers will not be paid less or asked to teach classes of 40( sorry but there's no logic to this) and the quality of education will be high before they change anything. They wouldn't get away with integrating an outstanding private school with a shit school in special measures. This is about improving outcomes for all. It's not a race to the bottom

When you reflect on the fact that poorer people make less progress and are far less likely to attend university and work in certain profession (medicine,politics,law to name a few) maybe it is the right policy outside of the middle class "we work hard for our children to have these opportunities" bubble

I think JC knows that private school parents were never really going to vote for him anyway so doesn't see their votes as a loss.

Well my conscience couldn't live with voting tory, UKIP, or worse, so I ended up choosing between labour, libdem, greens and small leftist paties, none of which stood in my constituency at that time, since it was no longer a PM's constituency (used to live in what was Blair's constituency). That meant I had to disregard those parties' common policies, such as supporting the GRA and look at other stuff.

I decided against green for looking like a 6th form manifesto mock up but their words and actions since that election have made me seriously turn against them. Lib dems have been all over the shop, generally, and not without scandal, but have stuck with being anti brexit, so that might decide me.

Sex would no longer be a protected characteristic. Why would any self respecting woman vote for a party that seeks to erase them?

Where is the money coming from to educate the former private school kids, to pay for the free care for the elderly.

Then there’s the 4 day week. I’m sure my employer will love to pay me the same wage for less hours. Can see us moving to hourly contracts or be expected to do the same amount of work over less hours.

Then there’s Trident. I’m damn sure I want my country to have the capacity to protect itself including a well equipped military, especially when we’re leaving the EU. Corbyn does not support Trident.

Then there’s prosecuting army vets in their 70s for doing their job in Northern Ireland. I want to hear all parties say this should stop.

I know Tory gov is leave, Lib Dem’s are remain while a vote for Labour is for “Bully’s star prize” - who knows what that might be leave, remain, something else? In this scenario I don’t love a bit of Bully.

Then there’s the announcement that the state would compulsory purchase private homes if they’re not lived in. Two things: fuck off I worked hard for my house (I’m thinking if I have to go to hospital long term would it get taken off me) and the wording “the State”. I may have watched too much Peaky fucking Blinders and Rise of the Nazis but the wording suggests communism or worse.

I also don’t like how badly labour have treated their more moderate members and their Deputy. The conference looked to me like a “who can be most loyal to Jeremy Corbyn” party with dissenting views not allowed.

So there it is I’m politically homeless.

Labour are pro-People’s Vote. They’ve been pretty clear about this for a while.

That Tom Watson could be in it.

Punitive taxes on wealth will just result in the rich moving assets overseas this is a commonly repeated trope which I massively question. Where is your evidence that there would be this mass exodus. Lots of people actually like living here. The taxes he proposes would not affect the vast majority of people at all and will be moderate increases at best nothing like the tax systems in countries like Denmark. He is not proposing to take half of a wealthy persons income away.

His education policies will remove all choice from the system only the rich get the choice anyway. The vast majority of people couldn't choose private so it's the privileged few getting choice while the rest of us are stuck with what's left.

They've proposed to scrap Ofsted and hand its responsibilities to local authorities that's not quite accurate. There will be a body overseeing things.

Appropriation of private property. That went well in Zimbabwe this isn't Zimbabwe, our politics, economy and infrastructure are completely different so that isn't applicable. We are talking about properties left vacant. The government would purchase these legally. There are millions of homeless and people in short term accommodation including children. They should be the government's priority not the russian oligarchs who own London properties and push prices up.

Freedom of the press is how we keep our governments in check. It would be under threat. It wouldn't. You do realise that Rupert Murdoch owns most of our press. You may have noticed they are slightly biased towards the establishment.

Sorry but almost all of these objections are ones which demonstrate selfishness and privilege. He promises to provide homes for people who haven't got one, increase minimum wage, end zero hours contracts and improve life and conditions for many many people but the privileged few panic about their privileges being slightly less protected in the pursuit of fairness and equality. To justify it people talk about him not being a leader or supporting the IRA or being anti Semitic with poor and questionable evidence but what they really mean is "we don't like JC because he might take some of my money or choice or privilege away from me"

I don’t fancy having an IRA sympathiser in charge. Plus their socialist policies are ridiculous!

During the last few years of the shit-show going on with the Tories in charge, it was the perfect time for Labout to present themselves as a valid and credible opposition and a better option. And despite this opportunity being handed to them on a plate they have done nothing to make themselves the more attractive option.
I don't know who I'd vote for in a GE. Its like being asked if you'd rather drown, or be run over by a truck!

Labour governments tend to raise tax and the national defeceit, then conservative come along and get shouted at for trying to rein in the purse strings.
Getting rid of private schools is short sighted. I've taught on both and the teachers are not magical beings who need to be shared out amongst state kids. Same training, same wages near as anything. Well, I earned less in private as a matter of fact but the difference I notice is smaller class sizes equal better managed classes. Behaviour on the whole tends to be better because (I can only surmise ) parents who are paying are keen for their children to knuckle down and not waste that money.

In my experience and it is only my opinion, I'm not looking for an argument, bright kids who are streamed into top set can do very well in state school as the whole class is keen to learn. Kids who need more support benefit from the smaller class sizes of a private school and can fulfil their potential more easily.
Some private schools are very good at preparing their students for university interviews - they have a couple of teachers who have been doing it for years. What do I mean by that? Guiding the students as to what to expect at interview. I asked my state school teacher to help me prepare for an interview by helping me practise my spoken foreign language skills, and by reading through an essay I had to submit. He was personally in disagreement with "top" universities and he simply said no. I flunked the interview as I had no idea what I was doing or what to expect. I wish that hadn't been the case, but it happened. I call type of behaviour a dictatorship- telling people what kind of school or university they are permitted to go to.
I think around 10% of labour mps went to private school. Corbyn included. Now that reminds me of the Labour fella who set out to crush the grammar schools decades ago. He said grammar schools were elitist. He sent his own kids to a private school.

I also don't like the mud slinging and political frustration that goes on. Most labour constituencies voted leave, so not sure why the Labour party want to frustrate that. It's all got a bit 18th century really.

I don't much like politics now, I don't have the heart. I wish we could all be friends.

In terms of only the rich being able to choose private, if your child is hard working or good at sport or music or something they stand a very good chance of getting a scholarship. There are a lot of discounts and freebies out there.

*deficit. I think. Oh you know what I mean

we don't like JC because he might take some of my money or choice or privilege away from me
Capitalist societies operate on the basis that what’s mine is mine. When the state starts seizing people’s assets against their will, that’s socialism. What’s the point in working hard if the state is just going to take it off you?

@OneSliceIsNeverEnough but what about the families that don’t know about scholarships? They just think that rich people go to private and that’s it. Their gifted child doesn’t get the same opportunity. It’s not as easy as saying ‘oh but there’s scholarships!’ Life is so much more complex than that. Hence why Labour are trying to break that divide.

1.Jeremy

1. The removal of single sex provision for women.
2. Bromentum.

Don’t know who I would vote for, I despair at the whole lot of them at the moment.

Jeremy Corbyn because he continues to live in cloud cuckoo land with money trees on every corner. The country can't afford the Labour Party to wreck the economy again.