General Election tomorrow question

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So, I did the MN survey and was a bit stumped by the question about who I would vote for if there was an election tomorrow. Like, at the moment, it's hard to remember whether we've still got a government from one day to the next. I know who I normally vote for but right now? Who knows! I'm not sure the results from that question will be all that representative of Mumsnetters normal political preferences.

I would normally vote green but would vote Lib Dem tactically

I'll vote for whichever party backing remain is likely to win on my constituency. In my case that's the SNP.

Pay 67%? Come on
Yes. Some are rich because others are poor.
Rich people rely on roads, railways, postal service, Internet, supermarkets, police, healthcare...all of which is provided by people working on low wages.
If you are one of those who resents paying tax, ask yourself how rich you'd be if you had no contact with other people to do all these things for you

www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/income-tax/jeremy-corbyns-tax-plan-means-pay/amp/

My appalling local MP is standing down so my vote depends who is put up to replace him.

What viasacra said - both about dragging everyone else down, but also about the antisemitism. Can’t believe how it’s all been ignored/swept under the rug.

If people are made to pay ridiculous, extortionate rates of tax they will leave: and since the top 1% pay more income tax per annum than the bottom 90% combined, it won’t be a great end result for the people who remain.

*Labour's policies aim to enable a more level playing field

You could argue that. But they don’t want to do it by uplifting the most vulnerable - instead they want to drag everyone down to the same level.*

Not really - increased spending on public services helps the most vulnerable most. As does increased benefits for the weakest in society. As does environmental policies etc. Of course this will entail taxing someone - but a bit more tax from richest is hardly going to drag them down to the bottom.

If you are talking about the private school thing - they need to be banned because otherwise the political will to improve state education isn't there. This is because most of our politicians are too rich to need state education. Their privileged education helps them get into power. And so it continues.

If the local state school isn't good enough for your child why should it be good enough for any child?

I normally vote differently every election -

I think it might be Tory this time. Sorry if that makes anyone ill.

"Not entirely sure why Scotland gets to have a say in our parliament.... We don't in theirs. "

Because it's a parliament of the United Kingdom. Attached a simple picture for your reference.

Have to wonder what the fuck they teach people in school these days.

*05crispysausagerolls

www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/income-tax/jeremy-corbyns-tax-plan-means-pay/amp/*

Not being a subscriber the the telegraph I can only see the first paragraph.
However all those plans look eminently sensible.
It's not taking away all your money - just levelling things out a bit. Why should those who are lucky enough to be rich not contribute fairly to society? If you don't like it, just sell your rental properties and reduce your earnings to get out of the top tax bracket.
Realistically not many will move abroad, most developed countries have similar taxes and people will generally prefer to live in the UK if they are already settled here

@crispysausagerolls

The Labour Government intend to raise the taxes for the top 5% so unless you are uber-wealthy, I doubt you will be impacted. They also intend to put a stop to tax avoidance so that money can be ploughed into our public services. These people can afford to pay more taxes.

I will be voting Labour and I think we seem to get much more harassment than Tory voters. I also don't understand why anybody who needs to send their children to a state school, use the NHS etc would vote Conservative.

I will be voting Labour because they give us the best chance of ending the appalling levels of social inequality that we have in the UK as outlined in the UN Rapporteurs report that has been disregarded by the current government. People laugh at Labour ideas in regards to subsidised childcare etc. If the Nordic countries can do it, so can we.
Foodbanks are a product of a 10 year Tory Government, I want to see the need for this being eradicated. I want an end to zero-hours contracts. I want a decent living wage for low earners. I want homelessness eradicated and I want the most vulnerable people in our society protected. Also, the Care for our elderly is a ticking time bomb and they will attempt to address this. None of my reasons are selfish reasons. I am not disabled, I 'm not a low earner, I've never been homeless and I've never used a food bank. But I totally give a shit for the poor people that are in that situation, it's not on and I want an end to it. It called having a social conscience. Usually when I discover someone votes Tory I often quietly think, yes, that makes sense. They've always struck me as a bit selfish and 'I'm alright Jack'
JC has been the MP in North Islington since 1983 so he must be doing something right. He has been on the right side of history on so many occasions (see Iraq War).

I also have a special interest in the rights of the Palestinian people and have been following the situation for years. A friend of mine is a Humanitarian worker who regularly visits a village on the West Bank. She has seen with her own eyes human excrement thrown at Palestinians. Children stuck in dark rooms with no electricity, violence from the IDF. They are literally treated like second class citizens. JC supports the rights of the Palestinian people in the same way he fought for an end to apartheid in South Africa. He gets accused of being anti-semitic. He isn't. Nor is anybody who calls out Israel on the human rights crimes they commit. Don't believe me, check out Amnesty international.

Do you seriously think any of the policies Labour was passing at conference this week will ever get implemented?

I think it's sad that so many people see all those wonderful policies designed to close the gap between the poor and wealthy as negative. It either means you have fallen for the lies of the right wing press ( the economy will suffer because there is no magic money tree except for brexit and tax cuts for the poor and a ridiculous nuclear weapon that will never be used) or you are just selfish.

I doubt you will be impacted

I will be impacted. Which is most of the point of why I wouldn’t vote for them, but also just generally it’s a fucking stupid thing to do, to push the highest earners away. It’s short-sighted. It’s not “a bit more” tax, it’s 20% more.

If people are made to pay ridiculous, extortionate rates of tax they will leave: and since the top 1% pay more income tax per annum than the bottom 90% combined, it won’t be a great end result for the people who remain

Not proportionally and that doesn’t take into account all taxes like VAT etc.

@crispysausagerolls

If you are that wealthy I doubt very much that you paying a bit more in your taxes will significantly change your lifestyle. You will still be rich. Lucky you. Spare a thought for others less fortunate while you're counting your millions. I'm particularly glad that they will be clamping down on tax avoidance. About time.

Iggly

What do you mean by “not proportionately”?

The top 1% of earners pay about 28% of the total income tax burden.

Income tax only.

28%. Bit less than 90%.

fullfact.org/economy/do-top-1-earners-pay-28-tax-burden/

And why shouldn't they pay more? That's how any decent society is supposed to work, isn't it? Those who can afford to pay more help those who can't.

I'm particularly glad that they will be clamping down on tax avoidance

If this is aimed at me btw, i abhor tax avoidance and would like to see it clamped down on. But pushing people like this will make them find more ways to avoid/leave. It’s not a “ha, one over on the rich twats!” - it will backfire spectacularly.

Why would people work 100 hour weeks doing exceptionally complicated work in finance (for example), holding the economy together etc if they are not allowed to take home 2/3 of the money they are making? They won’t. There will be no motivation to succeed, work long hours or acquire specialist skills if you are paid the same who does a more vague 9-5 office job.

@Chocolatelover45

It's not taking away all your money - just levelling things out a bit. Why should those who are lucky enough to be rich not contribute fairly to society? If you don't like it, just sell your rental properties and reduce your earnings to get out of the top tax bracket.
Realistically not many will move abroad, most developed countries have similar taxes and people will generally prefer to live in the UK if they are already settled here

I totally agree with you on this.

@KidLorneRoll, are you not aware that Scottish MPs sitting at Westminster can vote on legislation that will not effect Scotland? It's deeply undemocratic. They don't do it often, but they can if they want.

I'll be voting LibDem. I voted Leave but the fucking shambles has been going on too long and the closeness of the Brexit vote in no way justifies a hard Brexit.

I genuinely don’t know. My constituency has always been Labour on SNP. I’ve never voted SNP because I don’t think independence is a good idea (especially not right now, the country is divided enough), but our current SNP MP is pretty good and I have been appalled by how shit Labour have been lately.

I was considering Lib Dem but they only got 2% of the vote here last time so would be a wasted vote

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman Yes, I am actually aware of that.

That wasn't the point being made though, was it.

"Not entirely sure why Scotland gets to have a say in our parliament.... We don't in theirs

If you want an English parliament to deal with exclusively English issues, get campaigning for one, no one on Scotland will object. It only took us 290 odd years, so you'd better get cracking.

Realistically not many will move abroad, most developed countries have similar taxes

The US has a much more reasonable tax structure for high earners and they speak the same language etc.

*27crispysausagerolls

I doubt you will be impacted

I will be impacted. Which is most of the point of why I wouldn’t vote for them*

Ok so you want to hang onto all your money and not share a bit of it with those worse off. Fair enough. But can you not see how increasing the inequality in society is undesirable for most people, even if you yourself are rich enough to buy your way out?