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Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

999 replies

LeahSMS · 26/09/2019 10:50

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

OP posts:
Wellhelloxx11xx · 26/09/2019 12:50

No sympathy from me. Why can't other Islamic countries take these people in?

You think Islamic countries want ISIS members? Over 85% of ISIS victims are other muslims

I can’t stand her & want her in prison that’s a different thing to revoking citizenship & it does reek of racism. It’d be like if I committed a crime as a white Persian & instead of being punished I had my citizenship revoked because I have a french grandparent & could theoretically apply for citizenship. It would be ridiculous & would never happen.

Wellhelloxx11xx · 26/09/2019 12:50

*Person bot Persian lol

Wellhelloxx11xx · 26/09/2019 12:50

*not!!

Wtf is wrong with my phone lol

MeganTheVegan · 26/09/2019 12:51

@Wellhelloxx11xx 😂

lyralalala · 26/09/2019 12:52

She should never be allowed back. Sends out completely the wrong message and could be seen to be setting a legal prescient for others in similar circumstances.

Others have been allowed back. The only precedent this is setting is one that says it's ok to strip British citizens of their passports and palm our exports off on other countries.

If she was male she'd likely be back by now.

GlitchStitch · 26/09/2019 12:52

If she can make her own way back or to an embassy in a safe place then yes she should be allowed back and face terrorism charges. No way should anybody be expected to risk their lives to retrieve her though.

Passthecherrycoke · 26/09/2019 12:52

Tbf, I don’t think even established terrorists tend to do much to their next door neighbours Hmm

I’m not entirely sure what she would be charged with and tried with in the U.K. (joining a terrorist organisation?) as apart from that any crimes she’s committed would’ve been abroad.

I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth about her role in terrorism. How can you believe anything?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 26/09/2019 12:54

She can rot. I think the majority of 15 year olds are intelligent enough to know torture and murder is wrong! If she didn't then there's really no hope for her. I don't want her here but I have no idea what else to do with her. Whatever happens, no one should risk their lives to repatriate her.

I don't actually believe she's had 3 children, I think the last one at least was an attempt to make people sympathetic towards her self inflicted plight.

TildaKauskumholm · 26/09/2019 12:56

I did not mean any old Islamic country, but one which sponsors terrorism...

TildaKauskumholm · 26/09/2019 12:58

... Hence having the same values.

Passthecherrycoke · 26/09/2019 12:58

Which Islamic country sponsors terrorism?

PuffHuffle5 · 26/09/2019 12:59

And the fact she claims to have had three children is purely speculation. No-one actually knows whether she had children. But it helps with the sympathy vote.

Indeed. And quite manipulative too - those children suffered and died because their parents decided to conceive them in a worn torn country with no proper healthcare. It is no one else’s responsibility - what happened to them is her own doing. Another reason why she is despicable - she purposely left the UK to marry and have children, in a place where they were sure to suffer - either as babies and children because they didn’t have access to proper health care, or if they had grown up under ISIS? Any boy would have probably become an ISIS soldier and died a grim death, any girl would have been married off as a teen to someone not of her choosing (also pretty grim). Shemima knew this - it’s the reason she went to join ISIS - another reason why she is disgusting.

DickKerrLadies · 26/09/2019 12:59

I did not mean any old Islamic country, but one which sponsors terrorism...

Confused

Which would those be then?

StealthPolarBear · 26/09/2019 13:00

Agree with steppe mum. She is our problem as a british citizen (or was for the first 15 years). Why do we get to dump our problems on poorer and in some cases war torn countries? Which country would people they want to deal with her? One of the poor ones presumably, and we can pretend it's not our problem

Singletomingle · 26/09/2019 13:01

I doubt she'd serve a day in prison there is no evidence she did anything and I have little doubt she'd claim that she didnt know anything was going on like the guy who claims he went to Afghanistan on holiday!

nononever · 26/09/2019 13:01

Yes very good. My whole post was about her citizenship shouldn’t have been revoked so unless you’re stupid you know what I meant.

Touchy subject for you then dear 🙄

cuddlymunchkin · 26/09/2019 13:01

No speculation needed. The decision has been made. The right decision.

sashh · 26/09/2019 13:01

I think almost every generation thinks that fighting for what they believe is 'right' and having an adventure is exciting. We saw that with WW1 and the Spanish Civil War. How many teenagers run away?

I think the issue is, is she dangerous? If she is then she is not going to become less dangerous and less radicalised in a third world country that doesn't have the means to monitor her and Britain has a duty to protect the world.

I think if she isn't then there is no reason for her not to come home.

I'm nor saying she doesn't deserve punishment she also deserves to be treated as a groomed teenager.

I don't understand people saying she should be brought back to face the courts here - surely if she committed war crimes in Syria she should be dealt with by their justice system?

I think war crimes are different, wouldn't she go to the Hague for rial?

SilverySurfer · 26/09/2019 13:08

She's realised she's made a mistake because she's miserable rather than because she thinks her ideology is wrong

Absolutely. She has shown no regret and should not be allowed back in the UK. 15 may be a child but is fully capable of knowing right from wrong.

I have as much sympathy for her as she had/has for the thousands of men, women and children Isis killed, maimed and raped, ie none.

GlitchStitch · 26/09/2019 13:12

She's complaining that there isn't psychiatric help available at her current camp, and she doesn't have friends there. Joining ISIS is a capital offence in Syria, punishable by public hanging. She's lucky she's even alive with a place in a camp, and surely any MH support should be given to the victims of ISIS as first priority.

Souwest · 26/09/2019 13:13

A lot of refugees/asylum seekers are coming here claiming to be stateless, we process them and if they are approved we give them refugee status or asylum. We are not the only country that does this.
Revoke her citizenship and I'm sure Sweden or another liberal democracy will be happy to take her in.

FairyBatman · 26/09/2019 13:15

I don’t agree that she should have been stripped of her citizenship, and I don’t believe that any UK personnel should have to risk their lives to go and fish her out of the hole she finds herself in.

If however she can get back here, then she should be treated as any other member of an mass-murdering proscribed organisation, and hopefully imprisoned for life.

Kpo58 · 26/09/2019 13:15

She should be returned to the UK and de-radicalised and potentially tried/jailed. We are (supposed to be) a civilised country.

She was groomed as a child and we don't know if once she had joined Isis if she had any choice on what she did out there. Many of the women who went out there were allocated a husband who they were forced to have children with. We don't know if she recruited other people or if someone was just using her name and pretended to be her online to recruit other people.

There is no way to know what she actually thinks as she is being kept in a echo chamber with other Isis members. If she doesn't think the same way as them, she wouldn't be able to voice it as she probably wouldn't last very long. She probably wouldn't react to things in the same way as other people as she probably is traumatised by what she was gone through, even if she does blame the wrong side for what she has gone through.

RibenaMonsoon · 26/09/2019 13:17

She may have been a groomed child but who's to say she isn't anymore?
If her being back potentially puts my children at risk then she can stay where she is!

Katex888 · 26/09/2019 13:19

There is no country that supports terrorism @TildaKauskumholm you are very ignorant.

Shamima and the rest of them need to come back to the UK where they belong. Why should the Syrians have to deal with them? Let her come back so she can give provide information to the government, give her a chance to have her say. She was fifteen, alone and vulnerable. Who knows what her childhood was like?