Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

She may have been a groomed child but who's to say she isn't anymore?

The police, the judiciary system, the security services. I'm fairly sure that they'd be involved in any investigation into SB's crimes if and when SB returns to the UK.

She should be returned to the UK and de-radicalised and potentially tried/jailed.

How should she be 'returned'? Make her own way to a safe embassy to be arrested, fair enough.

Make her own way to a safe embassy to be arrested, fair enough.

YY

I don't know why that didn't work

Why can't other Islamic countries take these people in? Surely that would be best as they would have shared religious values

There have been more Muslims killed by Daesh in your 'Islamic countries' than have ever fallen victim in the West.

Saying they share religious values is like saying everyone who attends a harvest festival ceremony at St Bodkin's-on-the-Green is a Westboro Baptist.

For me, the issues of how old she was at the time, how unhappy she is now and everything else count for nothing compared to the possible risk she might pose if brought back

To be clear, I don't know exactly what the level of that risk is since the security services rightly keep much of this between themselves and the decision makers. However if they decide the risk is unacceptable I'll take that above wittering from assorted bleeding hearts

Which country should we dump her on then? Whose problem should we make her?

There is usually so much sympathy for children who are groomed online and act inappropriately as a result, but not in this case. She immediately married a much older man who had persuaded her to leave her home and country and join him. She is a victim and would be seen as a victim in any other circumstance. Of course she should be allowed to return home.

Just out of interest, does anyone know where her husband's supposed to be now? Along with much else she's claiming she "has nobody", but I thought there was some talk about hubby having some right to live in the Netherlands and that this is what he intended them to do?

I dont think her values are compatible with british or european values. I don't want her brought back, and I dont want other daesh members here either.
I do think she was groomed, but then again, so are all of them, and sometimes the young ones are the worst perpetrators - ie, thats why child soldiers are often more dangerous.

Saying that, shes been made an example of, and I dont know why. Probably because shes hijabi and also female and also not physically attractive, so very easy to make memes out of etc.
I accept that as a british citizen she will probably be brought back, and that annoys me, but its complicated I know, and if we dont, then its a slippery slope, as she has british citizenship, so where would we draw the line.

I feel heartily sorry for her over the loss of her babies. You’d have to be inhumane not to.
However on her being denied back into the UK good. I’d probably have a different stance if she was remorseful and regretful of her actions, but she isn’t is she.
What happens next time she’s swayed.

I will save my sympathy for the parents and families of those blown apart in Manchester.
She can stay where she is or maybe hand her over to the yazidi women whose 10 year old daughters were raped and impregnated by the men and idology she supported.

She was a child and was groomed.

Even if you think she deserves punishment, she’s a British citizen, radicalised on British soil, and is to my mind our ‘problem’. We can’t just dump her as yet another issue for a deprived, war-torn nation to deal with.

How should she be 'returned'? Make her own way to a safe embassy to be arrested, fair enough

How is she to do that as she isn't allowed to leave the refugee camp that she is in? It is effectively a type of prison.

Nope not one jot of sympathy.
She was old enough to know the difference between right and wrong however she is our problem therefore she should be bought back and spend the rest of her life in prison where she belongs.

I feel heartily sorry for her over the loss of her babies. You’d have to be inhumane not to. well, aside from the fact that I don’t believe there ever were any babies, I think that she is responsible for the death of any children she might have had.

Had she brought children up in those conditions in the UK, married to a violent murderer and not accessing healthcare etc those children would have been removed into the care system and she would possibly have been prosecuted for neglect....

Most returning ISIS fighters are not facing/were not sentenced to life in prison @Zeusthemoose. Can I ask why you think she should be singled out for such a sentence?

Misogyny my arse. I think she should rot and I also think Jihadi Jack (whatever his real name is) should rot too.

Don't let either of them back. Disgusting murderous scum who knew exactly what they were doing.

I do think she was groomed, but then again, so are all of them
Well then it's a problem for all of them, isn't it? Including her?

I think that she is responsible for the death of any children she might have had. Had she brought children up in those conditions in the UK, married to a violent murderer and not accessing healthcare etc those children would have been removed into the care system and she would possibly have been prosecuted for neglect....

She was used as a brood mare. The father of her children (and, more to the point, the circumstances and context surrounding them both) bear just as much responsibility.

All I can say is I would not be happy if she was living next door to me.

Kpo58, shell have to stay there then. No one should risk their life for her, she really isn't worth it.

She was 15. It sounds as if she was very unhappy at home and didn’t have enough intelligence, maturity or political awareness before she decided to go to Syria. Some teens see anything and anywhere as a way out of a situation that seems intolerable to them at the time. Coming from an ethnic minority where a proportion of girls are treated as a commodity and unworthy of an education, I have much sympathy.

My parents made unwise choices to get out of their repressive parents grasps as did I when they repeated their punitive, restrictive upbringings with me (as the girl of the family).

Shamima has been groomed and been through things no child should be exposed to. Child soldiers carry out atrocities and are turned into brutal animals. It is not their fault. Shamima is a victim of her upbringing and then of a barbaric regime. She deserves to be deradicalised and rehabilitated.

Theres nothing racist about saying you don't want to live next door to a terrorist ffs.

Interesting that for some people a 15-year-old is a child who cannot be responsible for her actions, had no clue what she was going, etc boy a 16-year-old knows more than world leaders do on climate change. What magically happens between 15 and 16 that you go from being a child who knows nothing about the world to a world-expert?

At 15 you know whether you are doing right or wrong. This is not the same as a 15-year-old running to the other end of the country to be with an Internet boyfriend. This wasn’t about romance. This was about extremist ideology.

She is dangerous. She knew exactly what she was doing, her family are extremists - they have been pictured burning the British flag - and is well over the age to be held accountable. There's no way she should have been allowed back except to rot in a prison for the rest of her days