Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

Do people really not realise that she was a CHILD who was groomed and brainwashed to go over there? When she got there I can gurentee you she was most likly tortured by ISIS and I'm sure you can guess what would have likly happened to her if she didn't do what they asked her to do. Therefore, she should be brought back and dealt with here. Its disgusting that people on here can't comprehend what must have led her to those actions and are happy to leave her there. Bet if she were white there would be a different reaction.

I didn't think she was a British citizen anymore?
The problem is that once she comes here to appeal, she will stay here regardless of the results. There may aswell not even be an appeal because once she's in the country she won't be leaving again. Our government and judical system are complete joke. Weather she was groomed or not, this girl spoke openly about how much she hates the British people.
Would you be happy if she came and lived next to you?
Would you be happy if she had kids in they were in your kids class? I wouldn't be, sorry

I don't believe that a 15 year old was unaware of ISIS.

A 15 yo is a child. That’s like saying about a 15 yo who has been groomed into sex that ‘I don’t believe the 15 year old was unaware of grooming’.

I think she should retain her citizenship. I think she's Britain's responsibility and we don't get to wash our hands of our citizens and make them other countries' problems to deal with.

Would you be happy if she came and lived next to you?
Would you be happy if she had kids in they were in your kids class? I wouldn't be, sorry

I genuinely wouldn’t care. Thankfully I have my humanity.

I didn't think she was a British citizen anymore?

That's the crux of it all though. She cant be stripped of her british citizenship as that leaves her stateless.

@Sunshine35x

I didn't think she was a British citizen anymore? The problem is that once she comes here to appeal, she will stay here regardless of the results. There may aswell not even be an appeal because once she's in the country she won't be leaving again. Our government and judical system are complete joke. Weather she was groomed or not, this girl spoke openly about how much she hates the British people. Would you be happy if she came and lived next to you? Would you be happy if she had kids in they were in your kids class? I wouldn't be, sorry

Yes our government are a joke as they illegally removed her citizenship. Do you like the UK ignoring their own laws an going around stripping British children of their citizenship?

Some of the children groomed in Rochdale maintained that they loved their abuser. Thats what grooming does.

I would be happy if a British citizen was back in the UK. I would also be happy if her sadly deceased innocent children were in my sons class. Quite shocked that you think if a parent commits a crime their children should be equally punished.

For those of you who don’t think think that she should be allowed back, where do you think she should live?

Syria don’t want her and didn’t ask for her to move there. Syria doesn’t have the money to prosecute her for her crimes and can’t afford to keep her in jail.

Should ISIS get their way and have a little caliphate set up where they can all live?!

@GreytExpectations For me it has sod all to do with the colour of her skin.

It has everything to do with the fact that a 15yo is old enough to be aware of the terrorist organisation and the implications of getting involved in it!
Less than a year away from leaving school, making decisions about her future (further education, training, university, jobs...) old enough to do all of that; but doesn't understand that running away to join ISIS makes her a threat to this country entailing her to marry a 'fighter', have his children and then join the 'fight' herself.

[quote ActuallyItsEugene]@GreytExpectations For me it has sod all to do with the colour of her skin.

It has everything to do with the fact that a 15yo is old enough to be aware of the terrorist organisation and the implications of getting involved in it!
Less than a year away from leaving school, making decisions about her future (further education, training, university, jobs...) old enough to do all of that; but doesn't understand that running away to join ISIS makes her a threat to this country entailing her to marry a 'fighter', have his children and then join the 'fight' herself.[/quote]
Children do not get to choose their groomer.

And if she's stateless we wont be able to deport her.
To get her people will have to be commissioned to travel to the camp, at great personal risk, to collect her, so she can be repatriated on a no doubt specially commissioned flight to be brought home.
The cost will be ridiculous, and it's so we can make a mockery of our citizenship process.
All her sympathisers that's lovely until it's your loved one that's killed in one of her or her friends plots or terrorist acts.

@ActuallyItsEugene ‘but I don't believe that a 15 year old was unaware of ISIS’

I dont believe the Rochdale girls were unaware of grooming. They knew what they were getting into having sex with multiple men. Theres enough stories on the news etc

See how silly that sounds?

As someone who has lost a parent to the war on terror, she can rot in hell, yeah she was 15 and a child, but theres a difference between a 6 year old and a 15 year old

“I genuinely wouldn’t care. I have my humanity”

That’s commendable, but she obviously doesn’t not being phased by severed heads in bins.

Why do people have to bring colour into everything? I don't care if she is black, brown, white or green, she is a terrorist who has shown no remorse for what she has done and still believes in the vile caliphate. There was a white female terrorist some time ago, Sally something I think, I had the same opinion of her as I do Begum.

I wouldn't want her anywhere near me or my family or even in this country.

@Cadent A child who can still be tried as an adult in the courts.
Over the age of criminal responsibility.

Please don't tell me you're trying to compare a 15yo who made the calculated choice to run away and join a terrorist organisation, therefore committing a criminal act, to a 15yo who is groomed for sex.

It was argued that 16yo's are old enough, with sufficient sense, to be given the vote. But a 15yo (less than 12 months younger) is too young to be held responsible for their criminal decisions.

OK fine, take colour out of it if you want, even though on Mumsnet it's fairly obvious that race always plays a part in things. But what about the fact that she was groomed and brainwashed? And once there she was likly tortured, do you honestly think an organisation as brutal as ISIS would just happily let her make whatever choice she wanted? I'm sure none of you are that naive.

I haven't any sympathy for terrorism or those who perpetrate terrorist offences. Is the taxpayer going to have to pay to bring her back here and then pay to keep her in prison for the rest of her life. The security services won't be naive enough to assume that she doesn't pose a risk to this country.

this girl spoke openly about how much she hates the British people.
Would you be happy if she came and lived next to you?
Would you be happy if she had kids in they were in your kids class?

I live in a republican area in Northern Ireland. It’s common to hear people talking about their hatred of “the brits” (I’m British), they live in my street, their children are in school with mine. Children from my son’s class, as young as 10 years old, have been arrested for attacking the police.

I’ve grown up with this, I’ve witnessed school mates become more and more “radicalised”, particularly when they hit secondary school and parents have less control over where they go or who with. Children aged 12/13/14 being groomed to become the next generation of the cause. I’ve had family members serve time for their crimes because they did nothing other than be born into an area where the hold was so strong they literally knew nothing else. They were groomed from birth to believe in the cause. It’s really never as simple as a 15 year old just deciding to go off and be a terrorist. I know thats the easiest explanation to believe but it just isn’t the case.

@mum2b2017 Yes, I totally understand how silly it sounds you comparing a 15yo choosing to flee and join IS, to a group of girls who were sexually abused.

They're, of course, completely the same thing.

@Originalyellowbelly

Why do people have to bring colour into everything? I don't care if she is black, brown, white or green, she is a terrorist who has shown no remorse for what she has done and still believes in the vile caliphate. There was a white female terrorist some time ago, Sally something I think, I had the same opinion of her as I do Begum.

I wouldn't want her anywhere near me or my family or even in this country.

I don't care what colour she is either. Unfortunately she is British and therefore our problem.

That’s commendable, but she obviously doesn’t not being phased by severed heads in bins.

You obviously don't understand what severe grooming, brainwashing and daily torture would do to a person's mind.

In my opinion, anyone who is turned on by the horrific things Isis were doing will always be a danger. There is something fundamentally wrong with some people's minds. She was over the age of criminal responsibility - we all make decisions that can sometimes lead to dire consquesences in life.

@GreytExpectations But what could she have possibly expected when going over there?!

It's not painted as an 18-30 holiday for Christ sake.

You choose to go and join barbarians, who carry out violent, vicious attacks and expect them not to do it to you?

So if a girl was groomed into sex slavery and then was tasked with "recruiting" other young girls into that life and obliged knowing that her fate would likly be awful if she refused, what would you think of her?