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Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

999 replies

LeahSMS · 26/09/2019 10:50

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

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ChavvySexPond · 16/07/2020 12:23

She is a British citizen and thus our responsibility. She was the victim of bad guys when she was a child.

The right thing is to protect grooming victims and follow international law.

Everything else is just distortion and noise.

Originalyellowbelly · 16/07/2020 12:24

I don't want her back, she still supports isis and is still a danger to this country and its citizens.

SimonJT · 16/07/2020 12:24

We have yet another child being punished for the actions of adult men.

Victim blaming really has no boundaries.

mothertruck3r · 16/07/2020 12:25

FFS. The law is an ass. More concerned with the rights of criminals than with protecting normal people.

Cadent · 16/07/2020 12:27

I agree with all saying she was a child that was groomed and needs to be rehabilitated in the UK.

Her religion or race should not subject her to higher standards of behaviour.

moopoohootoo · 16/07/2020 12:27

"We can't have it both ways - if we deport foreign criminals we have to accept ours back. "

Fair point this. She needs to be put in prison cell with minimal contact though. We dont want her radicalizing other people.

Goyle · 16/07/2020 12:28

Begum was groomed as a child. That part wasn't her fault. But if we were to welcome her back to London she will need to be watched like a hawk. That bit worries me.

Cadent · 16/07/2020 12:30

@Hopingtobeamum

Speaking as a lawyer? Let her rot. We have enough to deal with in the UK justice system. For anyone that disagrees, go and speak to the parents of all the deceased children of Manchester.

Bloody hope you’re not a human rights lawyer. Such hateful rhetoric.

MitziK · 16/07/2020 12:30

@Starisnotanumber

15 year old Gemma (the name that was used in the press) who ran away with her teacher Jememy Forrest in 2017 was treated as a child and a victim of grooming. Ms Begum was also a child and groomed I can't see that the law can be interpreted in 2 ways
Apparently it can when one child is white & middleclass.

Seems that the prevailing opinion is that a brown faced child running away to meet the older man who has been messaging her online and him having sex with her is completely different. As though brown children are somehow more able to consent and aren't more vulnerable from the outset by their primary parent being dead and the other one already putting her at risk of radicalisation through his own views.

Much the same as County Lines grooming, really. It's an issue when the girl is blonde and blue eyed, but when it's a BAME child of either sex, oh, they're criminal and know exactly what they are doing.

All children, any sex, any race, are vastly more vulnerable to grooming with a dead parent, close relative or friend. It's more significant a factor than income, status, ethnicity, religion, or anything else. It's why some council/police/social services teams are now putting efforts into providing grief counselling for children who have lost friends or relatives through gang activity as well as those who have lost parents through illness or injury.

When you fail and don't pick it up, you don't abandon them as being hopeless. You accept your fuck ups and you take responsibility, not hang a groomed child who has done terrible things as a result of their programming and suffered themselves as well, all on the spurious basis that a brown faced child was exempt from the laws regarding the age of consent that are there to protect children like her, as well as the big eyed blondes.

moreofaslummythanyummy · 16/07/2020 12:30

It is interesting how people say that foreign criminals should be deported and those same ones dont want her back. Why would another country want our criminals? She is our responsibility.
She was a child who was groomed , she needs to be brought home and rehabilitated and treated. She was failed on so many levels before she left!

Youbigdosser · 16/07/2020 12:31

She chose to go there she can stay there

derxa · 16/07/2020 12:32

Yes bring her back and let the law decide. I have no sympathy for her though.

SimonJT · 16/07/2020 12:32

@Starisnotanumber

15 year old Gemma (the name that was used in the press) who ran away with her teacher Jememy Forrest in 2017 was treated as a child and a victim of grooming. Ms Begum was also a child and groomed I can't see that the law can be interpreted in 2 ways
She was white and middle class.

Its also a bit like Maddie McCann v Shannon Matthews, at the time we didn’t know one was a scam. However when it was assumed that Shannon had gone missing/been abducted she recieved far less press because she as a child wasn’t considered as desirable due to living on a council estate.

Greysparkles · 16/07/2020 12:34

Seeing a picture of her on the news today I hardly recognised her.
Her eyes look haunted

I feel for her, she was a child who was groomed, married off and raped by a "husband" nearly twice her age.
She's had to go through the heartbreak of watching her 3 infant children die. I honestly cannot fathom the hell that young woman has been through.

She deserves to come back home to be rehabilitated. She deserves the support that any other child who had been groomed would receive.

SkinnyChicky · 16/07/2020 12:36

"Seems that the prevailing opinion is that a brown faced child running away to meet the older man who has been messaging her online and him having sex with her is completely different. As though brown children are somehow more able to consent and aren't more vulnerable from the outset by their primary parent being dead and the other one already putting her at risk of radicalisation through his own views."

Think the difference is one child ran away to join a terrorist group and one didnt. But yeah keep making this about skin colour.

mothertruck3r · 16/07/2020 12:38

I wonder what part of the country she'll get to live in with her new identity and life-long taxpayer funded "rehabilitation"?.

SimonJT · 16/07/2020 12:39

@mothertruck3r

I wonder what part of the country she'll get to live in with her new identity and life-long taxpayer funded "rehabilitation"?.
Hopefully one that doesn’t have so many people who support child marriages and rape.
woodhill · 16/07/2020 12:41

I thought she had dual nationality

Was it her father who took her to rallies or was that another girl?

SoupDragon · 16/07/2020 12:43

I thought she had dual nationality

She was entitled to it but never took it up so she is just British.

Cadent · 16/07/2020 12:43

@woodhill why don’t you look it up and tell us?

woodhill · 16/07/2020 12:44

Cos I can't be bothered😊

Smallsteps88 · 16/07/2020 12:52

Think the difference is one child ran away to join a terrorist group and one didnt. But yeah keep making this about skin colour.

She ran away to join a terrorist group because it was a terrorist group that targeted and groomed her! It’s really not hard to understand! If Jeremy Forrest had also been into mutilating animals I guarantee you he would have groomed “Gemma” into being part of that too. So she would have been running of to be an animal killer.

The girls in Rochdale who were groomed to be raped- some of them were also groomed to recruit. Because that’s what their groomers wanted them for. That’s not what those girls just decided to do.

SimonJT · 16/07/2020 12:53

@SkinnyChicky

"Seems that the prevailing opinion is that a brown faced child running away to meet the older man who has been messaging her online and him having sex with her is completely different. As though brown children are somehow more able to consent and aren't more vulnerable from the outset by their primary parent being dead and the other one already putting her at risk of radicalisation through his own views."

Think the difference is one child ran away to join a terrorist group and one didnt. But yeah keep making this about skin colour.

I keep forgetting that children choose their groomer Hmm
Daisychains20 · 16/07/2020 12:53

Definitely should not be allowed back.

ActuallyItsEugene · 16/07/2020 12:54

I can't muster any sympathy for her.

I know the argument is that she was young but I don't believe that a 15 year old was unaware of ISIS. She knew what she was doing, she knew the violence and barbaric acts carried out by those people, she still voluntarily chose to go.
Even if she was led on by a life of luxury, there's enough news coverage to know exactly what's going on.

The majority of terrorist attacks in this country are committed by someone known to the police/national security as being at risk. We don't know if she'll be another one.
How do we know that she isn't coming back to try and radicalise more people?
How do we prevent her from being able to do that?

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