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Original poster

Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

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LeahSMS · 26/09/2019 10:50

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

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LeahSMS · 30/09/2019 17:51

@winterlife what are her options then? If she passes 21 & has not applied for residency is she stateless?

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LeahSMS · 30/09/2019 17:52

Apologies I mean Bangladesh residency

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BarbariansMum · 30/09/2019 17:52

What do you mean by "return to Bangladesh ". She isn't from Bangladesh.

GladAllOver · 30/09/2019 17:54

She has already lost her British nationality. It's gone, finished. If she chooses not to take up the other nationality to which she is entitled, she has rendered herself stateless.
She can apply to any country to enter and become a citizen. Hopefully this country will continue to say no.

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LeahSMS · 30/09/2019 17:54

The UK has claimed she is entitled to Bangladesh citizenship until she’s 21. Lethally she can apply for citizenship @barbariansmum

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Cryalot2 · 30/09/2019 17:56

As they say " She made her bed let her lie in it"
No sympathy at all and feel she has no place here.

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LeahSMS · 30/09/2019 17:57

I am just perplexed as to what her options are. Eventually Syria to going to start asking people to leave who have no right to be there. Or worse!

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 30/09/2019 18:19

Let's hope she's tried in Syria and, if found guilty, sentenced there.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/09/2019 18:32

@LeahSMS according to Ibiza's posts, Shamima's Bangladeshi citizenship can't now lapse at 21. Effectively we've made it their problem by getting in first with removing her British citizenship, and now they're unable to do the same because that would involve making her stateless (just as we couldn't have done it if she didn't have an alternative)

Given Shamima's cultural and family links to Bangladesh (I believe her dad's there now?) I'd have thought she'd consider it a welcome destination if she can get out of Syria, but all the focus seems to be on her wanting the UK instead

Which is tough ...

Rachelover60 · 30/09/2019 18:38

I think she should be allowed back here to be with her family. She was so terribly young when she left and had obviously been worked on, poor kid. So many are very gullible. She has certainly suffered enough in my opinion.

Xenia · 30/09/2019 18:47

I think she will find Bangladesh much better - her father is there and more people are muslim than in the UK., She can make a fresh start. Her UK solicitors may well have a duty to put in whatever applications are necessary there by the way or instruct lawyers to do so or her father should on the basis she may well lose her UK appeal.

Syria may well try and convict her. If I went abroad and committed crimes I would expect to be convicted abroad and the UK would certainly not be helping me out financially or otherwise - so just because this is much worse than your average UK drug mule or drunken lout I don't see why she should get better UK treatment and get flown back here etc.

Hazza000 · 30/09/2019 18:50

No sympathy. Let her rot over there.

londonrach · 30/09/2019 18:53

Seriously how can you ask this question.. no no no no no... she should never be allowed back. Everyone i talk to says the same buy this being uk i know what happen..

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LeahSMS · 30/09/2019 18:56

@Puzzledandpissedoff she of course wants to return to the UK she’d literally get away with murder, be treated better & have more human rights than Bangladesh which is why she wants to return here. I believe Bangladesh have said if she returned there she may get the death penalty. IMO I think she will stay there until Syria has started to recover then she will be tried in Syria which unfortunately & worryingly May result in the death penalty

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DeadButDelicious · 30/09/2019 19:01

She should be brought back to face whatever questions/punishment she needs too. She is our problem. She was born, raised and groomed and radicalised here, in this country. We need to take responsibility for her.

I find it hard to not have sympathy for her. All of her children are dead and she's alone in a war torn country trying to deal with that at what 19? 20? Do I think she's dangerous? Yes? Do I think we should just wash our hands of her? No. Absolutely not.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 19:01

If she was my sister - and I adore my sisters - I’d say let her rot and hell mend her.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 30/09/2019 19:02

Maybe she wants to return here because this is her home where she grew up

Many of us have parents or a parent from a different country - just because we do doesn’t mean we feel it’s like home

She won’t get away with murder those who commit terrorist attacks, have engaged with terrorist activities are not just let off easily by the counts and she will be under observation she won’t be free to do as she pleases for a long long time

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 19:03

Would she want to come home if ISIS wasn’t thrown out and she was captured? If she was still living the oppressor role in a foreign country? I suspect not. Would she still be trying to lure other girls over and cheering on the downfall of the west? Yup.

zzzzzzzz12345 · 30/09/2019 19:06

Glad I absolutely have the justification to defend someone who is being vilified for actions when they were a child. You have the right to disagree with that concept but please don’t tell me I’m not entitled to my views.

And saying they were a level students so they must have seen internet beheadings is just ludicrous. You rely on so much assumption and yet you are so adamant. It’s a kangaroo court with dangerously uneducated judges.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 30/09/2019 19:12

The burning of an airman in a cage was plastered all overly the news before she went surely. Kids at school would have been talking about it (they were at DS school). She would have seen the Metro and Standard - they were always lying around DS school.

Mintjulia · 30/09/2019 19:14

She still supports the isis ideology so I’d offer the choice of returning to be judged by the courts, knowing she would face prison and separation from her husband.Or not returning.

And her husband - holding the same vile views - would not be allowed here ever.

Dramaofallama · 30/09/2019 19:24

The burning of an airman in a cage was plastered all overly the news before she went surely. Kids at school would have been talking about it (they were at DS school).

If anything, her generation saw it more with what ISIS done to its captures. ISIS not only recruited on social media but showed the world what evils they were capable of on social media.
There is no way she wouldn't have seen what they were doing, there torture/death penalty videos were also a used as part of their recruitment propaganda.

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LeahSMS · 30/09/2019 19:24

@EnthusiasmIsDisturbed could we prove she’s done anything wrong though, let’s be honest in this country people get away with so much. Plus can we charge her for any crimes she may have committed under age?

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Winterlife · 30/09/2019 19:27

@LeahSMS I believe Bangladesh has stated she is not a citizen, and I don't think they are willing to grant her citizenship.

BitchySite · 30/09/2019 19:29

Who cares about this nasty terrorist?
She deserves to spend her last breaths in that camp and reflecting on what she was about to embark upon.
If her nasty group worked out she wouldn't be writing on forums worrying about you.
She'll be asking for your head!!

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