Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

[LeahSMS]

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

@MemphisMum
She could move into Benjamin H spare room.
Oh no wait, that was Lilly thick as shit Allen.

Just this year she said that “she would have never have married a man like him” if she had stayed in the UK, she said this with huge adoration. “Him” being an ISIS fighter.

I never want her to never set foot on English soil again

Yes. Yes they should be pitied too. Because they are all children. And we are not ISIS we are supposed to be a civilised country.

@MemphisMum
That's a good point. I think she would need to get herself to a safe border. I certainly wouldn't expect troops to go in and rescue her.

Other jihadi brides have been allowed back with their children. some have served time in jail. The main difference between them and her is that the press are targetting her and she doesn't have the sense not to talk to them. We get edited highlights of her comments and public opinion about her is being manipulated for headlines.

I stand by my opinion that we should deal with her here, most likely in a court of law, bearing in mind that she was groomed as an impressionable fifteen year old.

If she is found guilty of crimes then she would have to be sentenced for those.

This is a case where the law should decide-was it legal to strip her of her citizenship? It doesn't appear so, this feels like rule of public opinion which personally I'm very much against - we have laws for a reason and she was/is British.

So many posters seem to think she should come back to the UK but I haven't seen one post saying how she should get back.

As AnneElliott says, no one from this country can safely get her out and she certainly isn't worth risk a single life or WW3 for.

Can someone answer a question? As her crimes were committed in Syria, why shouldn't she be tried there and, if convicted, sentenced in Syria?

And she should face trial in the UK accordingly

So many posters seem to think she should come back to the UK but I haven't seen one post saying how she should get back.

I responded to that upthread.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat because she broke British law by traveling to Syria

@GlitchStitch yes because she was promised things and manipulated. And the guys who abused the rotherham girls didnt hang around outside a school either.... they let the girls come to them then used other girl to bring in more girls... and gradually built up the free food and attention and affection until those girls considered themselves friends with those guys.. given a sense of belonging and purpose...
All it takes is a vulnerable child to come across a situation... they dont even need to hang around outside schools... do not pretend that shamima is the only teen to search for weird things on the internet or get sucked in by something... if she were white people would see this for what it was. A 15 year old married to an adult man and carrying his child. I dont care where she flew to or what she looked at, she was a British child failed by our system.
I'm not saying she should be let loose on the streets with a bunch of cash... I'm just saying she deserves the same treatment as a white person would recieve. She deserves to be tried for any crimes in a british court.

Why would it be unsafe to get her out? She’s in a refugee camp. Stacey Dooley was there a while ago filming a documentary 🤣

I’m not saying she should be got out- but I can’t see why it wouldn’t be easy enough to do so

Saying that if she were white people would have more sympathy is simply not true. What about the mass school shooters in the US? They’re terrorists. Do people have sympathy for them? Do people excuse their behaviour because they were ‘groomed’? No.

*Same age as Greta Thunberg at the time of her radicalisation, wasn't she.

So Greta Thunberg is a child who is being manipulated for nefarious purposes by shadowy adults and is to be pitied (and rescued) but Sharmina Begum should be damned for all eternity and rot where she is.

Seems legit.*

Or alternatively, just a few months younger than Aaron Campbell was when he raped and murdered Alesha MacPhail, and (rightly) faced the full force of the law albeit with a slight reduction in his minimum sentence due to his age.

I'm just saying she deserves the same treatment as a white person would recieve.

She is. Jihadi Jack is white and had his citizenship taken away.

I think whatever she did or did not do or whatever she thinks or did not think... shes British

Not any more she's not - at least, not unless the Home Office decision's overturned

Looking a some of the posts on here, it's sadly only too easy to see what would happen if she was to return. I know it's unlikely, but bear with me ...

We'll keep her in detention until she's been fully assessed
She's just left one effective "prison"; you can't incarcerate her again

A full mental workup / medication is needed
You can't force unwanted medical attention on anyone

Someone suggests a curfew or internet restrictions
She's a teenager; that just isolates her and encourages extremism

She's refusing to co-operate so we need to step up the enquiry
She's fragile victim and that would infringe her human rights

Found guilty of a, b and c she's imprisoned for x years
Jail's no good; she'd become a martyr and attract more terrorists to the cause

And so on and so on ... anyone STILL want to take the risk?

She is just saying what she thinks will gain her sympathy

She is in a horrendous situation, and one of her own making. That said, I suspect she was less "groomed" than enticed by the thought of marrying a handsome jihadi and living in an environment where she could have her own home and position of power over others.

But I'm afraid I don't really see much difference between her and, say, some of the teenage German guards at women's concentration camps or indeed one of the Manson family. This girl knowingly joined a religious cult that murdered, raped, tortured and dispossessed thousands of people. She lived in homes stolen from those people; her mere presence harassed and terrorised those people.

In my view, she should be tried by those people for the crimes she committed against them. She committed war crimes herself and supported actions so foul that you would struggle to find their like outside of a horror film.

And yes, facing justice in Syria may very well mean life imprisonment or execution. But those are the stakes when you choose to join invasive forces in a war. Those are the stakes when you support a side that burns people alive and videos it for glory, that terrorisesabd massacres.

She chose to take part in the most dangerous and wicked game there is. And she lost.

There's no way back.

Can someone answer a question? As her crimes were committed in Syria, why shouldn't she be tried there and, if convicted, sentenced in Syria?

Syria barely has a functioning government and can't cope (logistically or financially) with processing and "hosting" foreign criminals on top of trying to rebuild the country.

I really cant stand the "if they were white" argument. The NZ terrorist was white and I see no one trying to sympathise with what led him to do that. Or the white school shooters in America.

Stop trying to Poo Poo peoples concerns by insinuating its racist.

I get that she was 15 when she left, and a child in the eyes of the law.

But she's been in Syria now for 5 years.

What on earth has she been taught/brainwashed into in that time?

Also white Incels*

@MemphisMum "She has no child"

oh yes, quite right all 3 of her children have died. that might explain her mental health.

"And to live on your street,how? She has no UK home. Are you suggesting she is brought back here ( by whom??) and is given a PROPERTY?

Under the 1981 British Nationality Act, a person can be deprived of their citizenship if the home secretary is satisfied it would be "conducive to the public good" and they would not become stateless as a result.

She was a British Citizen before she was wrongly deprived of it, as she has no other citizenship.

so she is our responsibility, it would be very difficult to prove her of any crime, so she would unlikely be sent to jail.

her parents still live in the UK "Shamima Begum's family beg the government to allow her back home"

her parents could pay for the flights.

we provide properties to all sorts of undeserving individuals in this country Pedo's, rapists, murderers. why would she be any different?

are you not concerned about the precedence it sets? her having her citizenship taken away?

all that needs to happen now is the home secretary of the day sees that it is "conducive to the public good" to remove your citizenship?

@MoodyBitch

Her parents live here, they want her back so I don't have to give up my spare room...

well mum and dads spare room is full of sewing patterns, dress making material, old vinyl records...

its a mess really...

Why do people feel the need to blame the colour of her skin for people feeling such disregard for her? The whole country was equally as outraged by the cruel acts committed by two white boys against an innocent toddler. People arent judging her skin colour, they are judging her character!
I'm another who finds it grotesque to compare her to victims of rape or child grooming, I just cant wrap my head around any comparison.
She chose to go there, she knew what ISIS stood for, she wanted that life.